Public Opinion on Transgender Persons

[Ifreann]

I believe that you are born male if you have a penis, and vice versa

And your belief is wrong.

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I call dibs!


You have 'em; the point is to get rid of 'em.

That .png has seriously made me reconsider my views on this important matter.

Said no one ever.

That you have a response to that png, but not any of the arguments put to you? Rather telling, though, not terribly surprising.

[Murkwood]

I believe that you are born male if you have a penis, and vice versa

And your belief is wrong.

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That .png has seriously made me reconsider my views on this important matter.

Said no one ever.

That you have a response to, but not any of the arguments put to you? Rather telling, though, not terribly surprising.

I'm on my phone, and I'm half-asleep. Excuse me for not meeting your expectations. I'll try and get to them tomorrow.

[Ifreann]

And your belief is wrong.

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That you have a response to, but not any of the arguments put to you? Rather telling, though, not terribly surprising.

I'm on my phone, and I'm half-asleep. Excuse me for not meeting your expectations. I'll try and get to them tomorrow.

If you say so.

[Neema]

I am in full support of transpeople, I've several friends who are.

[Zercera]

Honestly, for a long time I had a huge problem with transgender people. I just couldn't understand how it worked. I believed that a person was whatever sex/gender they were assigned at birth. But then, for the first time in my life, I actually met a Transgender person. And I realized that this person was actually just as nice and interesting and real as any other person, regardless of gender identity. But the most important thing I realized that I don't have to necessarily understand something to be okay with it or the people who practice it. I mean, I'll probably never understand the little details about what makes a person transgender, and that's okay, because I recognize that it's really something very hard to understand for people who have not personally been through it, but that shouldn't stop anyone from treating Trans people with the respect they deserve as a fellow human being. In the end, their gender identity doesn't hurt anyone or make them a worse person, so I see no reason to persecute them for it.

(Although one thing I feel should be changed is the general grouping of sexual identity issues with gender identity issues. I feel like, while I can understand some similarities between them, they are culturally and psychologically very different issues, and deserve to be treated as such.)

Let me ask you this, If tomorrow you woke up in a body that was the opposite sex your sex today, would you feel that your body is wrong? Would you try and change your body back to how it was?

Would I feel that it was wrong? Not necessarily wrong, but weird, and not really what I'm used to. Though I would try to change it back to how it was, it would just be more what I'm used to.

[Trotskylvania]

I'm already impressed with what science has managed up to that point. I think the experiment was concluded in 2009. Anyway, we're still some long ways away from doing the same to female rabbits, but at least stuff's moving along.

Well, considering they used autologous cells - the male rabbit's own cells, and basically gave them the framework to grow into, with all the recent-ish similar feats (I think there was a group who managed to regrow a pig's heart, one that beat and kept to the rhythm), managing to recreate a male organ out of male cells is a bit "meh". Even the whole preamble just talked about regrowing/restoring men's penis tissues. Probably male researchers, I didn't check.

But to manage the same with female cells? Now that'd be something, since the cells lack the "instructions" to grow penile tissue. (I know, not that simple, hence the quotation marks.)

There's only one gene that determines sex, and it's one of the few remaining coding genes on the Y chromosome. I think it's safe to say that when it comes to the finer points of male anatomy, the instructions are there whether the cell is male or female. They simply must be activated based on the right hormonal environment, under the right conditions.

Sex expression is mostly determined hormonally, which is why men with androgen insensitivity will appear female morphologically. In the cases of total androgen insensitivity, they will be externally indistinguishable from a normal woman, and the only morphological difference will be the absence of a uterus, and testes in roughly the same place as woman's ovaries would be.

[Papal Republics]

I believe in the love and acceptance of all human beings.

[Sun Wukong]

I believe in the love and acceptance of all human beings.

Hitler.

[Araraukar]

I believe that you are born male if you have a penis, and vice versa, however what mental decisions you choose to make are your own.

Oh, yeay! I totally decided to feel so uncomfortable in my own body that I'm willing to brave ridicule and possibly horrible side-effects of any possible future treatments to do as I chose!

...when did you choose to be your gender (which I assume is male, from the insensitivity of the comment - see? I can stereotype too), if I may ask?

[Logic and Reason]

I believe that you are born male if you have a penis, and vice versa, however what mental decisions you choose to make are your own.

Oh, yeay! I totally decided to feel so uncomfortable in my own body that I'm willing to brave ridicule and possibly horrible side-effects of any possible future treatments to do as I chose!

...when did you choose to be your gender (which I assume is male, from the insensitivity of the comment - see? I can stereotype too), if I may ask?

To ask that question is to ask "When did you choose to be a human?".

If one is going to say he is born to be one way, than that, in turn, would mean that he is born not to be another way. The entire argument of transsexualism is this,

I was born to be a woman, but I'm a man.
I feel uncomfortable in my own body because I have the urges of a woman.
I then become emotionally distressed because I am not who I was born to be.
In order to feel comfortable in my own body, I transform it into a woman.
Little do I realize that it is the exact same body I have had the entire time.
The only difference is it looks and feels different, like a sweater or a shoe.
In the end, it's a male body. The only difference is the way the mind thinks about the body.

Now replace "woman" with cat, and you're in the nuthouse.

[Sumshchyna]

As poll says, "It makes me uncomfortable."

[Corumm]

Several years ago I was making my way home after a late night movie, on reaching a certain street corner I was hailed by a pair of shemales in skimpy outfits who proceeded to attempt to entice me with their misplaced charms.

I raised the palm of my hand so that it faced them and politely yet firmly said "Nyet". I then resumed my walk home.

[Larassa]

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

If you had a really giant mole on your face, you would want that removed, right?

Now, Imagine if that mole was in the place where your genitals are supposed to be. You would want that removed too, wouldn't you?

[Logic and Reason]

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

If you had a really giant mole on your face, you would want that removed, right?

Now, Imagine if that mole was in the place where your genitals are supposed to be. You would want that removed too, wouldn't you?

I'm no expert, but I believe that there is a definable difference between removing a mole and removing the most sensitive pleasure center of the male human body. While were at it, why not remove our nipples, because, after all, there really only brown-stained ring worms.

[Grenartia]

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

Except it is, in the same way the Earth is an oblate spheroid. You can say "being trans isn't real" until the cows come home, but it doesn't make you any less wrong than the people who say "the Earth is flat".

[Grenartia]

Several years ago I was making my way home after a late night movie, on reaching a certain street corner I was hailed by a pair of shemales in skimpy outfits who proceeded to attempt to entice me with their misplaced charms.

I raised the palm of my hand so that it faced them and politely yet firmly said "Nyet". I then resumed my walk home.

Just an FYI, the underlined word is a highly offensive slur, and I'll politely and firmly ask you not to use it in the future.

If you had a really giant mole on your face, you would want that removed, right?

Now, Imagine if that mole was in the place where your genitals are supposed to be. You would want that removed too, wouldn't you?

I'm no expert, but I believe that there is a definable difference between removing a mole and removing the most sensitive pleasure center of the male human body. While were at it, why not remove our nipples, because, after all, there really only brown-stained ring worms.

Im 12 and wat.

[Revanchism]

If you had a really giant mole on your face, you would want that removed, right?

Now, Imagine if that mole was in the place where your genitals are supposed to be. You would want that removed too, wouldn't you?

I'm no expert, but I believe that there is a definable difference between removing a mole and removing the most sensitive pleasure center of the male human body. While were at it, why not remove our nipples, because, after all, there really only brown-stained ring worms.

Someone named "Logic and Reason" really shouldn't be using fallacies and should probably do some research on whatever it is they're discussing. Also, if they recognize they're not an expert, belief shouldn't even enter the equation.

[Jormengand]

Someone named "Logic and Reason" really shouldn't be using fallacies and should probably do some research on whatever it is they're discussing.

Yeah, but anyone who has something in their nation name probably isn't that thing.

I mean, do I look like a badly-spelled demigod to you?

[Gelgisith]

Though i don't think i'll ever understand transsexualism, i have no real problem with it. The only problem i have is not really knowing whether to use male or female pronouns for someone who physically looks like one sex/gender, but is dressed and made up like the other, since i never know whether (s)he is a transvestite, or a transsexual...

[Grenartia]

Someone named "Logic and Reason" really shouldn't be using fallacies and should probably do some research on whatever it is they're discussing.

Yeah, but anyone who has something in their nation name probably isn't that thing.

I mean, do I look like a badly-spelled demigod to you?

Yeah, its pretty much the First Law of NS that if somebody's nation name is a good concept, they're pretty much guaranteed to be the opposite. And that if their nation name is a bad concept, its guaranteed that the concept accurately describes them.

I.E., Somebody named "Nazi Douchebags" is assuredly going to be a Nazi Douchebag. Somebody named "Good and Intelligent People" is going to be an utterly stupid cunt.

[Republic of munster]

Do i have a problem with transgender people, no i have no problem with the person. I believe that they are a human being and should be treated as such before the eyes of the law. While personally i don't really agree with the idea of gender, i really only believe in sex in that you are what you are born and that gender is really just (and increasingly so but not originally) a political term. But like I said they are humans and should be treated as such even if what they do is quiet odd and not something i agree with.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yeah, but anyone who has something in their nation name probably isn't that thing.

I mean, do I look like a badly-spelled demigod to you?

Yeah, its pretty much the First Law of NS that if somebody's nation name is a good concept, they're pretty much guaranteed to be the opposite. And that if their nation name is a bad concept, its guaranteed that the concept accurately describes them.

I.E., Somebody named "Nazi Douchebags" is assuredly going to be a Nazi Douchebag. Somebody named "Good and Intelligent People" is going to be an utterly stupid cunt.

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Hmph. Well.

That's another person for my list.

[Grenartia]

Yeah, its pretty much the First Law of NS that if somebody's nation name is a good concept, they're pretty much guaranteed to be the opposite. And that if their nation name is a bad concept, its guaranteed that the concept accurately describes them.

I.E., Somebody named "Nazi Douchebags" is assuredly going to be a Nazi Douchebag. Somebody named "Good and Intelligent People" is going to be an utterly stupid cunt.

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Hmph. Well.

That's another person for my list.

Exception that proves the rule. You're notable in that you do not follow the trend.

[Dumb Ideologies]

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Hmph. Well.

That's another person for my list.

Exception that proves the rule. You're notable in that you do not follow the trend.

SICK RECOVERY~!

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I think it's a terrible affliction, to be dissociated from one's body and sex. I pity the people confused about their gender and think they should be given professional assistance to help them come to terms with their biological sex.