Public Opinion on Transgender Persons

[Arkolon]

Is a womb a requirement for your love? Why?

We are entering religious territory here.

I thought your Bible-quoting habit was for comical purposes only...

[Kelinfort]

I support all transgender individuals, and I would not rule out a relationship with a transgender individual, pre or post OP.

[Sun Wukong]

Is a womb a requirement for your love? Why?

We are entering religious territory here.

Well then why don't you just go ahead and admit that your hatred of transgenders is based entirely on an a priori religious conviction, and has nothing to do with anything resembling rational thought?

Like an honest person.

[Murkwood]

We are entering religious territory here.

I thought your Bible-quoting habit was for comical purposes only...

I don't quote it to prove a point. That's stupid, and I agree.

[Arkolon]

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

Actually, being gay isn't objectively real. Sexuality and gender are two social constructs, which means neither of them are "real", the same way law or countries or languages aren't real.

[Zercera]

Honestly, for a long time I had a huge problem with transgender people. I just couldn't understand how it worked. I believed that a person was whatever sex/gender they were assigned at birth. But then, for the first time in my life, I actually met a Transgender person. And I realized that this person was actually just as nice and interesting and real as any other person, regardless of gender identity. But the most important thing I realized that I don't have to necessarily understand something to be okay with it or the people who practice it. I mean, I'll probably never understand the little details about what makes a person transgender, and that's okay, because I recognize that it's really something very hard to understand for people who have not personally been through it, but that shouldn't stop anyone from treating Trans people with the respect they deserve as a fellow human being. In the end, their gender identity doesn't hurt anyone or make them a worse person, so I see no reason to persecute them for it.

(Although one thing I feel should be changed is the general grouping of sexual identity issues with gender identity issues. I feel like, while I can understand some similarities between them, they are culturally and psychologically very different issues, and deserve to be treated as such.)

[Alyakia]

what if it has a brain that more resembles the brain of a duck than anything else (incidentally this is why comparing transpeople to ducks does not work)

They still aren't a duck.

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

lol alright. let's start from square 1. tell us what being a duck/a real man/woman is.

[Aeken]

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

How is being trans not real?

[Neutraligon]

Honestly, for a long time I had a huge problem with transgender people. I just couldn't understand how it worked. I believed that a person was whatever sex/gender they were assigned at birth. But then, for the first time in my life, I actually met a Transgender person. And I realized that this person was actually just as nice and interesting and real as any other person, regardless of gender identity. But the most important thing I realized that I don't have to necessarily understand something to be okay with it or the people who practice it. I mean, I'll probably never understand the little details about what makes a person transgender, and that's okay, because I recognize that it's really something very hard to understand for people who have not personally been through it, but that shouldn't stop anyone from treating Trans people with the respect they deserve as a fellow human being. In the end, their gender identity doesn't hurt anyone or make them a worse person, so I see no reason to persecute them for it.

(Although one thing I feel should be changed is the general grouping of sexual identity issues with gender identity issues. I feel like, while I can understand some similarities between them, they are culturally and psychologically very different issues, and deserve to be treated as such.)

Let me ask you this, If tomorrow you woke up in a body that was the opposite sex your sex today, would you feel that your body is wrong? Would you try and change your body back to how it was?

[Alyakia]

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

How is being trans not real?

personally i decided that spending most of my life feeling like shit culminating in possibly being murdered for the crime of "walking down the street" and wading through a shitfest of a healthcare system possibly leading to invasive surgery at some point because i wanted attention and when i was a kid we didn't have youtube and cheap webcams, ok?

even when i was 5, i felt the tumblr.

[Arkolon]

Honestly, for a long time I had a huge problem with transgender people. I just couldn't understand how it worked. I believed that a person was whatever sex/gender they were assigned at birth. But then, for the first time in my life, I actually met a Transgender person. And I realized that this person was actually just as nice and interesting and real as any other person, regardless of gender identity. But the most important thing I realized that I don't have to necessarily understand something to be okay with it or the people who practice it. I mean, I'll probably never understand the little details about what makes a person transgender, and that's okay, because I recognize that it's really something very hard to understand for people who have not personally been through it, but that shouldn't stop anyone from treating Trans people with the respect they deserve as a fellow human being. In the end, their gender identity doesn't hurt anyone or make them a worse person, so I see no reason to persecute them for it.

(Although one thing I feel should be changed is the general grouping of sexual identity issues with gender identity issues. I feel like, while I can understand some similarities between them, they are culturally and psychologically very different issues, and deserve to be treated as such.)

Let me ask you this, If tomorrow you woke up in a body that was the opposite sex your sex today, would you feel that your body is wrong? Would you try and change your body back to how it was?

Hell no, but for different reasons.

[Murkwood]

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

[Alyakia]

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

keep going.

[Benuty]

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.

Subjective actually.

[Murkwood]

You are what sex you are by birth.

keep going.

What else is there?

[Geilinor]

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

Which is sometimes at odds with how a person thinks of themselves. The treatment is transition.

[Benuty]

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

Psychology can disagree.

[Captiotia]

keep going.

What else is there?

Eh, we're talking about gender, not biological sex.
But even sex can change.

[Alyakia]

keep going.

What else is there?

what determines sex? there are girls born without vaginas. there are girls born with penises on their foreheads. there are girls born with penises and vaginas. it's actually pretty ridiclous, imo, to say that people can be born with no penises, two penises, a penis and a vagina and a penis on their forehead or occasionally just be born without a brain at all but strictly refuse to even contemplate ever that they were born with a penis instead of a vagina i mean that's just insanity!

[Sun Wukong]

keep going.

What else is there?

More than are dreamt of in your philosophy

[Aeken]

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

Sex does not determine gender.

[Benuty]

What else is there?

More than are dreamt of in your philosophy

If he is a philosopher, he might be a friend of that crackpot Aristotle.

[Arkolon]

How is being trans not real?

You are what sex you are by birth.

Table	Male Sex	Female Sex
Male Gender	Man	FtM transman
Female Gender	MtF transwoman	Woman

Forget about other genders for the moment, but the above table really isn't that complicated. Actually, it is. It was a bitch to figure out how these tags worked.

[Araraukar]

Are we talking about people who just feel like they do not belong inside their body or people who actually make the transition?

Trans people can include both groups, and more. We're talking about all trans people, that is, all people whose gender identity doesn't match what they were assigned at birth.

Not all of us want to go the whole way with surgeries either - for many, for example, getting hormone therapy is enough, as that makes it easier for them to live as their real gender. Personally I'd like my womb gone, though, and ovaries if possible. They've done nothing but caused me discomfort so far.

[Arkolon]

Trans people can include both groups, and more. We're talking about all trans people, that is, all people whose gender identity doesn't match what they were assigned at birth.

Not all of us want to go the whole way with surgeries either - for many, for example, getting hormone therapy is enough, as that makes it easier for them to live as their real gender. Personally I'd like my womb gone, though, and ovaries if possible. They've done nothing but caused me discomfort so far.

Out of curiosity, is it possible to have them removed, or are they biologically bound to you for life?