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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Postby Kiruri » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Then if surgery is the important thing, do you believe those who have had tumors removed still have cancer?

Shit, I should call my doctor and tell them that getting a tonsillectomy all those years ago didn't actually remove my tonsils.

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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:40 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Since I'm not gay, I could never date a transperson.

We're going to play a little game called "spot the transwoman."

I'm going to post five pictures of beautiful young women. Your job is to spot the one of them that transitioned.

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Stumped aren't you? Give yourself another minute and look it over again. Then click below for the answer.

Surprise! They're all trans women. You're being irrational.

Got me. Great point.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:42 pm

Kiruri wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Shit, I should call my doctor and tell them that getting a tonsillectomy all those years ago didn't actually remove my tonsils.

Le Gasp! You should sue..

I totally should.

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Postby Captiotia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:43 pm

The 93rd Coalition wrote:Are we talking about people who just feel like they do not belong inside their body or people who actually make the transition?

Trans people can include both groups, and more. We're talking about all trans people, that is, all people whose gender identity doesn't match what they were assigned at birth.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:58 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Since I'm not gay, I could never date a transperson.

We're going to play a little game called "spot the transwoman."

I'm going to post five pictures of beautiful young women. Your job is to spot the one of them that transitioned.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Stumped aren't you? Give yourself another minute and look it over again. Then click below for the answer.

Surprise! They're all trans women. You're being irrational.

Just because you look like one, doesn't mean you are one.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Rexero » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:59 pm

Murkwood wrote:Just because you look like one, doesn't mean you are one.
If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:00 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:We're going to play a little game called "spot the transwoman."

I'm going to post five pictures of beautiful young women. Your job is to spot the one of them that transitioned.







Stumped aren't you? Give yourself another minute and look it over again. Then click below for the answer.

Surprise! They're all trans women. You're being irrational.

Just because you look like one, doesn't mean you are one.


So how are they not women? You probably couldn't tell the difference.
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Postby Captiotia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:02 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:We're going to play a little game called "spot the transwoman."

I'm going to post five pictures of beautiful young women. Your job is to spot the one of them that transitioned.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Stumped aren't you? Give yourself another minute and look it over again. Then click below for the answer.

Surprise! They're all trans women. You're being irrational.

Just because you look like one, doesn't mean you are one.

You're right. But they also say they're women, so they are.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:04 pm

Rexero wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Just because you look like one, doesn't mean you are one.
If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...

...if it is born a duck...
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:08 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Rexero wrote:If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...

...if it is born a duck...

I don't usually decide on sexual partners based on what they were like when they were born. That's... kind of creepy.
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Postby Captiotia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:09 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Rexero wrote:If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...

...if it is born a duck...

Nobody is born any gender, they're assigned one by doctors and/or their parents. They have no obligation to follow that assignment.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:09 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Murkwood wrote:...if it is born a duck...

I don't usually decide on sexual partners based on what they were like when they were born. That's... kind of creepy.

You don't based on their gender?
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:10 pm

Captiotia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:...if it is born a duck...

Nobody is born any gender, they're assigned one by doctors and/or their parents. They have no obligation to follow that assignment.

We've gone full Tumblr, folks.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:11 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I don't usually decide on sexual partners based on what they were like when they were born. That's... kind of creepy.

You don't based on their gender?

I do based on what I think of them and how they act to me. They needn't bear my children or have a vagina. That isn't a requirement for love.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:12 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You don't based on their gender?

I do based on what I think of them and how they act to me. They needn't bear my children or have a vagina. That isn't a requirement for love.

Well, we have to agree to disagree.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:12 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:I don't usually decide on sexual partners based on what they were like when they were born. That's... kind of creepy.

You don't based on their gender?

I'm a fan of vaginas, but then lots of transwomen have those. Why does it matter if they had one as a toddler? I'm a fan of breasts too, and I'm positive no toddler has those (at least I hope not.)
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Postby Alyakia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:13 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Rexero wrote:If it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck...

...if it is born a duck...


what if it has a brain that more resembles the brain of a duck than anything else (incidentally this is why comparing transpeople to ducks does not work)
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:14 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:...if it is born a duck...


what if it has a brain that more resembles the brain of a duck than anything else (incidentally this is why comparing transpeople to ducks does not work)

They still aren't a duck.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:14 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Captiotia wrote:Nobody is born any gender, they're assigned one by doctors and/or their parents. They have no obligation to follow that assignment.

We've gone full Tumblr, folks.

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:14 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Murkwood wrote:We've gone full Tumblr, folks.

No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

I disagree with the choices of his parents.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:15 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Arkolon wrote:I do based on what I think of them and how they act to me. They needn't bear my children or have a vagina. That isn't a requirement for love.

Well, we have to agree to disagree.

Is a womb a requirement for your love? Why?
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Postby Captiotia » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:15 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Captiotia wrote:Nobody is born any gender, they're assigned one by doctors and/or their parents. They have no obligation to follow that assignment.

We've gone full Tumblr, folks.

*shrug* Tumblr is right about it, then.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:15 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Well, we have to agree to disagree.

Is a womb a requirement for your love? Why?

We are entering religious territory here.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:16 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Arkolon wrote:No, we haven't. You are born with a certain sex, and your gender identity is therefore presumed from there on. Look at Kim Petras, for instance. At around six she told her parents she was a girl despite having the masculine sex, and her parents took her to a doctor who told them about transfolk. It is not unnatural, and the parents were very accepting: she wore gender-neutral clothes until her sex-change operation when she was 16, I think.

I disagree with the choices of his parents.

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:17 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Murkwood wrote:I disagree with the choices of his parents.

Kim Petras is a girl, and her parents were supportive of their child. Are you one of those people that would disown a gay kid, too?

No, being gay is real. Being trans is not.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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