Public Opinion on Transgender Persons

[Alto Mantovano]

I am ok with it, everyone can do as they think is best, as long as they don't go full tumblr-nazism

[Threlizdun]

Males.

All males start out as females.

Still not following you.

Every zygote develops as female at first, only acquiring male characteristics significantly later in development. All human beings start as female, with some of them simply becoming male or intersex later.

[Threlizdun]

So they could identify as female and be physically female but because their sex at birth is male they aren't female to you even when everything else about them is? Why not just declare that no one ever actually ages? After all, we are born infants, so just because we stop identifying as infants and don't have the bodies of infants clearly doesn't have any bearing when we were born as infants right?

Ageing is something we all do.

Sex-change isn't.

What could possibly make them still make at that point though? If you aren't still an infant then how are they still male in your eyes?

[Murkwood]

Still not following you.

Every zygote develops as female at first, only acquiring male characteristics significantly later in development. All human beings start as female, with some of them simply becoming male or intersex later.

That's what he's going on about? That doesn't count as a sex change operation.

[Jormengand]

doesn't count

Doesn't it?

[Threlizdun]

Every zygote develops as female at first, only acquiring male characteristics significantly later in development. All human beings start as female, with some of them simply becoming male or intersex later.

That's what he's going on about? That doesn't count as a sex change operation.

Why not? You start with a female sex and then it changes. When your sex changes, that is a sex change. You had a sex change in your life, so by your logic, you must still be female .

[Sun Wukong]

Every zygote develops as female at first, only acquiring male characteristics significantly later in development. All human beings start as female, with some of them simply becoming male or intersex later.

That's what he's going on about? That doesn't count as a sex change operation.

You didn't specify "operation."

[Murkwood]

That's what he's going on about? That doesn't count as a sex change operation.

You didn't specify "operation."

Well, I meant to.

[Sun Wukong]

You didn't specify "operation."

Well, I meant to.

That's nice.

Now explain why it's so much worse to do surgically, what happens half the time naturally?

[Immoren]

Obviously human should be like that species of fish that start their life's as females, but transition into male as they reach certain age.
Or vice versa. *nods*

[Larassa]

Being one myself, of course I would never have problems with transgender people.

What I don't understand is why people are uncomfortable about it?

[Alto Mantovano]

Obviously human should be like that species of fish that start their life's as females, but transition into male as they reach certain age.
Or vice versa. *nods*

That would be rather odd. Especially during the pubescent sexual curiosity of the peeps.

[Othelos]

Still not following you.

Every zygote develops as female at first, only acquiring male characteristics significantly later in development. All human beings start as female, with some of them simply becoming male or intersex later.

Which is why guys have nipples, btw

[Sun Wukong]

Obviously human should be like that species of fish that start their life's as females, but transition into male as they reach certain age.
Or vice versa. *nods*

We should be brightly colored and build our homes in anemone?

[Jormengand]

Being one myself, of course I would never have problems with transgender people.

What I don't understand is why people are uncomfortable about it?

My brother once created a Theory of Everything, which states "Because people are stupid."

It's a surprisingly effective Theory of Everything.

[Immoren]

Obviously human should be like that species of fish that start their life's as females, but transition into male as they reach certain age.
Or vice versa. *nods*

We should be brightly colored and build our homes in anemone?

Fabulous.
...
I had to Google "anemone"
<.<
>.>

[Sun Wukong]

Being one myself, of course I would never have problems with transgender people.

What I don't understand is why people are uncomfortable about it?

I suspect because it forces them to confront things about themselves that they are otherwise happy to ignore. That their own sexuality doesn't always fall neatly within party lines.

This is also, I suspect, why there is so much violence against transgenders. "You made me feel feelings I don't like!"

[Threlizdun]

You didn't specify "operation."

Well, I meant to.

Then if surgery is the important thing, do you believe those who have had tumors removed still have cancer?

[Captiotia]

I am ok with it, everyone can do as they think is best, as long as they don't go full tumblr-nazism

I wish people didn't compare the struggles of oppressed people to a racist, fascist ideology.
If anything, just say radicals or extremists. Tumblr trans extremists. It sounds funny to me, but would probably convey your opinion better.

[Trotskylvania]

Gender facilitates a patriarchal system.
But anyway, sex categorization led to gender.

There is no patriarchy.

Never in my life as a cis woman have I ever felt oppressed.

Good thing you don't speak for all cis women.

[Grenartia]

God I really reaaally support trans rights, amd I really beat myself up about the fact that I think I couldn't date a trans person.
I feel like a very shallow and horrible person every time I think about it.

Since I'm not gay, I could never date a transperson.

Trans =/= gay.

Said the cis het man to the androgynous pansexual.

1. How does that even...2. androgynous? 3. Really?

1. How does what even what?

2. Yes. A mix between man and woman, if you really need an explanation.

3. Yes. Really.

Unless you propose that all transpeople automatically count as your same gender, I can't imagine any way in which this statement makes sense.

It's a joke.

MtF: Still a man
FtM: I'm not gay.

A pretty piss poor and transphobic joke, if you ask me.

[Araraukar]

Since I'm not gay, I could never date a transperson.

Trans =/= gay.

Unless one is trans and gay.

[Trotskylvania]

God I really reaaally support trans rights, amd I really beat myself up about the fact that I think I couldn't date a trans person.
I feel like a very shallow and horrible person every time I think about it.

Since I'm not gay, I could never date a transperson.

We're going to play a little game called "spot the transwoman."

I'm going to post five pictures of beautiful young women. Your job is to spot the one of them that transitioned.

Stumped aren't you? Give yourself another minute and look it over again. Then click below for the answer.

Surprise! They're all trans women. You're being irrational.

[The 93rd Coalition]

Are we talking about people who just feel like they do not belong inside their body or people who actually make the transition?

[Ifreann]

Well, I meant to.

Then if surgery is the important thing, do you believe those who have had tumors removed still have cancer?

Shit, I should call my doctor and tell them that getting a tonsillectomy all those years ago didn't actually remove my tonsils.