Female game dev Zoe Quinn sleeps her way to the top: scandal

[Sygneros]

Please tell me how it is sexism to say that someone should be ashamed of him/herself, because that someone basically sold him/herself in order to get his/her game promoted.

People have the right to sleep with a consenting partner. Nobody in this thread should care that she had sex. Nobody should care what she used it for, or how many people she slept with. People do it with other people. If she was able to exploit this to get ahead in the gaming industry, kudos to her. She found away to bring herself up in the world. The backlash from this represents an inherent and underlying sexism in the gaming industry and community, in which people think "girls don't play video games, and they certainly don't make them," both of which are wrong. She found a way to make herself known. Was some of what she did unethical? Sure. Getting journalists to write better reviews about you definitely is. But people seem to be focusing more on the horror that a woman slept with several men. There are undoubtably many more males in that industry who've done the same thing. So calm the fuck down.

Took out your bolding and added my own for emphasis.

If the bolded sentence is true (i.e., what she did was sure unethical) then THAT is what she is ashamed of herself for. Not because she had sex, but because she used sex as a form of bribery. If a man did it he should also be ashamed.

Also, as far as I know, 'sex' isn't listed as a human right in any government document, but again, that's as far as I know (which isn't very far)

[Rupudska]

OH MY GOD HOW DARE SHE, etc.

Lose some weight and you too might fuck around a bit instead of just being jealous.

We're not jealous. That's not the issue. The issue is that she fucked around while she had a boyfriend in order to get good reviews for her mediocre text game.

And the door for women that actually want to do well in the gaming industry gets smaller yet again.

No, it actually doesn't.

Unless you're some kind of fuckwit who thinks that one woman getting some good PR for herself means all women are a) devious harpies, and b) clearly shit programmers, writers, artists and so on (which isn't even being discussed here), there's still plenty of room for women in the industry. A massive, vacant space, in fact.

>good PR

I dunno, I feel this sort of scandal is the worst PR possible.

[Kelinfort]

Is the game any good?

Seriously, that's all I care about. Silencing actual critics, however, is wrong, and I definitely do not approve of that nor do I approve of her cheating on her relationship at the time.


But to be honest, all the trolls on 4chan, reddit, tumblr, etc...just guys who wish they had a life.


Back to the original question, is the game any good?

[The An Xileel]

People have the right to sleep with a consenting partner. Nobody in this thread should care that she had sex. Nobody should care what she used it for, or how many people she slept with. People do it with other people. If she was able to exploit this to get ahead in the gaming industry, kudos to her. She found away to bring herself up in the world. The backlash from this represents an inherent and underlying sexism in the gaming industry and community, in which people think "girls don't play video games, and they certainly don't make them," both of which are wrong. She found a way to make herself known. Was some of what she did unethical? Sure. Getting journalists to write better reviews about you definitely is. But people seem to be focusing more on the horror that a woman slept with several men. There are undoubtably many more males in that industry who've done the same thing. So calm the fuck down.

Took out your bolding and added my own for emphasis.

If the bolded sentence is true (i.e., what she did was sure unethical) then THAT is what she is ashamed of herself for. Not because she had sex, but because she used sex as a form of bribery. If a man did it he should also be ashamed.


Also, as far as I know, 'sex' isn't listed as a human right in any government document, but again, that's as far as I know (which isn't very far)

Exactly what I mean.

[The UK in Exile]

People have the right to sleep with a consenting partner. Nobody in this thread should care that she had sex. Nobody should care what she used it for, or how many people she slept with. People do it with other people. If she was able to exploit this to get ahead in the gaming industry, kudos to her. She found away to bring herself up in the world. The backlash from this represents an inherent and underlying sexism in the gaming industry and community, in which people think "girls don't play video games, and they certainly don't make them," both of which are wrong. She found a way to make herself known. Was some of what she did unethical? Sure. Getting journalists to write better reviews about you definitely is. But people seem to be focusing more on the horror that a woman slept with several men. There are undoubtably many more males in that industry who've done the same thing. So calm the fuck down.

Took out your bolding and added my own for emphasis.

If the bolded sentence is true (i.e., what she did was sure unethical) then THAT is what she is ashamed of herself for. Not because she had sex, but because she used sex as a form of bribery. If a man did it he should also be ashamed.

Also, as far as I know, 'sex' isn't listed as a human right in any government document, but again, that's as far as I know (which isn't very far)

It would be covered by the right to privacy and freedom of association.

[Couasia]

...so corruption and bribery in the form of sex is justified in your opinion? Are you out of your fucking mind? (pun intended)

[Rupudska]

Is the game any good?

Seriously, that's all I care about. Silencing actual critics, however, is wrong, and I definitely do not approve of that nor do I approve of her cheating on her relationship at the time.


But to be honest, all the trolls on 4chan, reddit, tumblr, etc...just guys who wish they had a life.


Back to the original question, is the game any good?

It's very dull. What reviews on Steam that are actually serious (and not Five Guys jokes) point this out.

[Lakemeadow]

Wait, the gaming press is corrupt and mercenary? STOP THE PRESSES!

Sincerely, everyone talks about a second video game crash, and I personally think it can't come soon enough, it would be lovely to see all these wackos loosing their job, as well as the thousand of drunkards who work at the AAA game companies, and all those poorly informed analysts too.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

>good PR

I dunno, I feel this sort of scandal is the worst PR possible.

It's what you make of it, isn't it?

I had no idea who Zoe Quinn was before this. Now I do, and I like her mainly based on the kind of people who hate her.

[Sciongrad]

Let's also not forget this entire imbroglio started as the result of her vindictive ex-boyfriend harassing her by publicly posting her private details, including nude pictures, her home address, and other sensitive information to the internet specifically to get back at her. Which, in itself, is misogynistic - that is, assuming it's anywhere near okay to get revenge on a girl for breaking up with you by destroying her personal life.

Oh, because obviously all women are special snowflakes that don't do that kind of thing.

That fails to address my point at all, but your attitude thus far shows me that your mind is already made up. You've already decided this woman is guilty of sleeping with men to advance her career when no evidence exists supporting that argument. So I have no idea why I expected you to consider anything else that doesn't implicate her in the horrific crime of being a woman in the gaming industry.

My favorite part is how you ignored my questions about whether or not the men were just as unethical, and if so, why you haven't gone off on them.

[Kelinfort]

Is the game any good?

Seriously, that's all I care about. Silencing actual critics, however, is wrong, and I definitely do not approve of that nor do I approve of her cheating on her relationship at the time.


But to be honest, all the trolls on 4chan, reddit, tumblr, etc...just guys who wish they had a life.


Back to the original question, is the game any good?

It's very dull. What reviews on Steam that are actually serious point this out.

Yeah...looking at the reviews on metacritic that focus on the gaming all seem to be pretty low.

[Aequalitia]

Really serious, why there are so much people in this world cares about with who she moved in bed?

How can we even say she done it for give her status a kick up to the top? If she cheated her ex boyfriend okay, that's a case for her private life, but a worldwide case.

Got we even proof she done it for just helping her status up? So far I seen now I didn't seen even serious proof that was her motive to do.

[Cetacea]

Seriously though, this is everything wrong with gaming. Not Quinn's actions, the backlash.

So now it's okay to corrupt several major gaming sites' management teams with sex, just because you have a vagina?

Yes all those poor innocent men corrupted by her accursed vagina
Let ys invoke many prayers that these wayward management teams may be cleansed of the temptations of this vile succubus

[Couasia]

So I have no idea why I expected you to consider anything else that doesn't implicate her in the horrific crime of being a woman in the gaming industry.

> implies that women can't be successful in the gaming industry, when some already are

[Kelinfort]

Ok, the game sucks honestly, and it probably didn't take long to code and shit, but she's just a mediocre developer. If she can perform better in the future in co-dev's or on a team, she might have a more positive product.

[Upper America]

Really serious, why there are so much people in this world cares about with who she moved in bed?

How can we even say she done it for give her status a kick up to the top? If she cheated her ex boyfriend okay, that's a case for her private life, but a worldwide case.

Got we even proof she done it for just helping her status up? So far I seen now I didn't seen even serious proof that was her motive to do.

This!

Why can't we just focus on the important stuff? Like the Middle East or our debt?

[The Holy Therns]

And suddenly they got too busy throwing hate they all forgot about the whole harrassment thing. Funny thing, that.

[Infected Mushroom]

Sounds like an interesting girl.

Anyone actually met her? She look good?

[Gravlen]

tl;dr: Female game dev slept with five (possibly more) game journalists, site admins etc in exchange for positive press on prominent gaming websites and forums, and was exposed by her ex.

I think that this will affect game journalism as a whole. Right now, we as gamers don't know who exactly she had contact with (or had sex with), so now that this scandal has broken out, we can't trust anyone anymore. She's using sex to control the gaming industry and punish those who are even so much as slightly critical of her. This is both damning for the industry as a whole and something that should not happen, under any circumstances.

Original article is located here.

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[Sciongrad]

So I have no idea why I expected you to consider anything else that doesn't implicate her in the horrific crime of being a woman in the gaming industry.

> implies that women can't be successful in the gaming industry, when some already are

I didn't imply that, you either misread what I said, or couldn't be bothered to respond to it in good faith. My point was that the entire gaming community has gone up in arms over the actions of one girl, going so far as sending death threats, rape threats, harassing family members, friends, and family members of friends just because she had sex with some journalists. And yet the journalists, who were equally unethical, if not even more so due to the nature of their jobs, haven't even been mentioned. If you're really interested in the lack of ethics of the situation, you'd have condemned the male journalists as well, but you haven't. I wonder why.

[Rupudska]

>good PR

I dunno, I feel this sort of scandal is the worst PR possible.

It's what you make of it, isn't it?

I had no idea who Zoe Quinn was before this. Now I do, and I like her mainly based on the kind of people who hate her.

That's an incredibly poor reason to like someone, but whatever.

Now, if it were just 4chan (/pol/ especially) being itself, I'd agree with you. But it isn't.

The point is, she used her vagOOO as a bribe to get good reviews for her extremely dull game. 4chan (and a few other sites) found out about this, called her and the reviewers out. She then proceeded to lose her shit and start censoring websites, even getting sites taken down, and for what? Pointing out that she bribed reviewers with sex. Which is low even for the gaming journalism industry, which hasn't been unbiased since EA discovered it could pay off IGN for good reviews. But most people who get accused of bribery ignore it. She attacks the accusers. Which is a no-no.

[Scomagia]

I should believe her ex-boyfriend......why?

[Couasia]

My point was that the entire gaming community has gone up in arms over the actions of one girl, going so far as sending death threats, rape threats, harassing family members, friends, and family members of friends just because she had sex with some journalists.

Nope, it's that she used sex to advance her professional career and generate positive press for her games, when in reality she is at best a mediocre developer. Nice try.

[The Tump]

"Woman who likes video games sleeps with men who like video games".

It's the next necessary stage in evolution... One way or another.

[Couasia]

The point is, she used her vagOOO as a bribe to get good reviews for her extremely dull game. 4chan (and a few other sites) found out about this, called her and the reviewers out. She then proceeded to lose her shit and start censoring websites, even getting sites taken down, and for what? Pointing out that she bribed reviewers with sex. Which is low even for the gaming journalism industry, which hasn't been unbiased since EA discovered it could pay off IGN for good reviews. But most people who get accused of bribery ignore it. She attacks the accusers. Which is a no-no.

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