Why the west needs to intervene in the middle east again

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

[Calisu]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

America the most likely country to interfere is not a christian nation.

[Geilinor]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

America the most likely country to interfere is not a christian nation.

He said, "Christians and other minority groups", including the Yazidis who are being intensely persecuted by ISIS.

[Vazdania]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

It's clear that the United States and Euro Union should preform air strikes against ISIS. Its pretty clear that there is little if any support for a ground "invasion" or operation that involves soldiers on the ground.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

It seems that you emphasize Christians as the most discriminated. While it's true they are being discriminated against, it depends what constitutes the Middle east. Do we count Africa, and do we count the western sides of Iran?

[Geanna]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

The American public is wary of war, it's our fault [EU and the US] that the situation became this way in the first place. It seems the paper pushers don't understand that putting the opposite group in power will result in Vengeful Governing. Which happened and helpt spark the Sunni uprising and influx of recruits to ISIS. Not to mention there is a lot of resentment by US forces because a) Some feel like they sacrificed all that for nothing and b) They've been treated like relative shit upon returning home impart by negligence with the Government and some groups of the Public (Not receiving proper care for example)

The decade of two wars has drained the public and the military of their will, and I've no doubt putting US troops back over there is going to result in half-assing and I can't blame them. If the US continues to rush to the aid of everyone else it will cripple the country and ware it down, wars are expensive and tedious to maintain, and I highly doubt the American public is going to be so eager to watch another decade of war - you add in a war weary populace and you're looking at protests, demonstrations, and anti-war civil disorder along the lines of Vietnam. This results in police crackdowns, violence and an even further divide between the public and the Government. I'd say let the Middle East deal with it, if the Arab countries can put aside their differences for once and collectively hit ISIS they may have a chance, hell even Hezbollah dislikes ISIS to the point they attacked them, it's pretty bad when another terrorist group believes you're the scorn of the Earth.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Honestly, this is one of the most clear-cut cases of we're the good guys, there's some bad guys out there, we should kill them. Usually there's shades of gray, but ISIS are just bad.

[Eurasian Socialist Peoples]

The east is never allowed to intervene...

[Avenio]

Your thoughts are not nearly original enough or interesting enough to warrant making an entirely separate thread from the 3+ we already have on events in the Middle East.

[Blazedtown]

The east is never allowed to intervene...

I wonder why

[Geilinor]

The east is never allowed to intervene...

The East is anywhere from Morocco to Japan, it can't get along.

[Eurasian Socialist Peoples]

The east is never allowed to intervene...

I wonder why

What-


What does that have to do with this?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The Xiajiang Province of China, the Tibetian AR of China, Central Asia, and South East Asia all have connections with the Muslim majority. Malay has a majority Muslim pop. Not to mention it protects Brunei, a extreme Islam Paradise. Xiajiang is Turkish, hence the major Muslim Pop. Central Asia is also Turkish, so they won't help them. SE Asia is situated next to Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia, which leads to muslims moving there in small doses.

And the Sino-Japanese War is over 45 years old..

[The TransPecos]

No intervention. Establish cordon sanitaire. Drop weapons. If fighting ever stops, drop more weapons. If fighting doesn't restart, check if there is really anyone left alive. Cruel, perhaps. Heartless, perhaps. Realistic, absolutely. You can't heal millennia of ignorance, social corruption, and brutality with a few years of soft-hearted intervention.

[Pope Joan]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

It's clear that the United States and Euro Union should preform air strikes against ISIS. Its pretty clear that there is little if any support for a ground "invasion" or operation that involves soldiers on the ground.

We can do just fine with that tactic, I agree. But it should be expanded to include personnel, not just tanks and rocket launchers. They want to spread death and disaster? Let them have a taste of it.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

No intervention. Establish cordon sanitaire. Drop weapons. If fighting ever stops, drop more weapons. If fighting doesn't restart, check if there is really anyone left alive. Cruel, perhaps. Heartless, perhaps. Realistic, absolutely. You can't heal millennia of ignorance, social corruption, and brutality with a few years of soft-hearted intervention.

Damn is that edgy. Maybe we should kill all the ignorant brown people, after all, jade glasses are always 20/20!

You must know a whole bunch about the way the world works and how everybody who's not white you is stupid!

[Benuty]

The West has been "intervening" in terms of modernity since the fall of the Ottomans what more do you want?

[Occupied Deutschland]

The West has been "intervening" in terms of modernity since the fall of the Ottomans what more do you want?

Some more successful intervention in terms of modern social and cultural attitudes? *nod*

[Farnhamia]

The West has been "intervening" in terms of modernity since the fall of the Ottomans what more do you want?

Some more successful intervention in terms of modern social and cultural attitudes? *nod*

I don't know how possible that is. Amin Maalouf, in his The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, makes the point that those wars all those many years ago froze Islam into a posture of fear and defense regarding the West. The experience was so horrific for the Muslims that even though they ultimately won and expelled the barbarians from the lands they ruled, they could never look on overtures from the West with anything but suspicion. I can't say he's absolutely correct but I believe there is some truth in this.

[Al-Faisal]

Some more successful intervention in terms of modern social and cultural attitudes? *nod*

I don't know how possible that is. Amin Maalouf, in his The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, makes the point that those wars all those many years ago froze Islam into a posture of fear and defense regarding the West. The experience was so horrific for the Muslims that even though they ultimately won and expelled the barbarians from the lands they ruled, they could never look on overtures from the West with anything but suspicion. I can't say he's absolutely correct but I believe there is some truth in this.

It goes all around. The Islamic invasions of Christian North Africa, Iberia, Sicily and Italy, France, the Balkans, Austria, and other places were equally traumatizing. And even though the Jihadist barbarians were eventually driven out of most of those lands, today those events are largely overlooked and ignored. It's no wonder that those places have also looked on Muslims with suspicion and discomfort.
And yet while those places are now modern in terms of social and cultural attitudes, most Islamic nations are still trapped in the past.

[Sediczja]

YES THE US SHOULD TOTALLY INTERVENE NOW. Let me guess? Out of oil? :/

I don't see how intervening to stop IS and their barbaric practices equates to starting another oil war.

But eh, what can you expect from someone with "le epic doge xDddDD" in their sig.

[Farnhamia]

I don't know how possible that is. Amin Maalouf, in his The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, makes the point that those wars all those many years ago froze Islam into a posture of fear and defense regarding the West. The experience was so horrific for the Muslims that even though they ultimately won and expelled the barbarians from the lands they ruled, they could never look on overtures from the West with anything but suspicion. I can't say he's absolutely correct but I believe there is some truth in this.

It goes all around. The Islamic invasions of Christian North Africa, Iberia, Sicily and Italy, France, the Balkans, Austria, and other places were equally traumatizing. And even though the Jihadist barbarians were eventually driven out of most of those lands, today those events are largely overlooked and ignored. It's no wonder that those places have also looked on Muslims with suspicion and discomfort.
And yet while those places are now modern in terms of social and cultural attitudes, most Islamic nations are still trapped in the past.

What can I say? I can't explain, I'm just offering Maalouf's idea as a reason why OD's suggestion of "intervention in terms of modern social and cultural attitudes" might not work.

[Pragia]

I say screw em this time around. If this forum is any evidence, then the US only ever gets criticized for entering conflicts in the rest of the world. Let them rot, when everyone cries "where's the US" we can just say "Sorry, not our problem anymore."

I'm sorry for being so morbid, but seriously, when was the last time people praised a US intervention into anything?

[Baltenstein]

In a better world, a multinational task force consisting of NATO, Russian and Iranian troops would move into Iraq and take pictures like the following in front of the demolished ISIS headquarters:

[MERIZoC]

Comparing the ME to Nazi Germany is extremely ignorant. The current situation is much more complex.