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male
954
43%
female
110
5%
other gender identity
72
3%
heterosexual
644
29%
bisexual
187
8%
pansexual
70
3%
homosexual
131
6%
other sexual orientation
71
3%
 
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:15 pm

Carbon based lifeforms wrote:Where's the "idgaf about gender" option? Or should I just vote "other"?


Depends on if you're referring to the gender(s) you're attracted to, or the gender you identify as.

Dalcaria wrote:I'd say heterosexual male, but I feel compelled to avoid saying that as you're asking about my "gender identity". I don't associate myself with an "identity", 1. I am who I am, and I have male genitals, so I am male, but I do not see this as an "identity". Being male doesn't mean I go out and play sports, beat up other dudes, and only play COD. No, I do whatever I feel like doing, and if that means making an evil businessman in Sims 3, I'll do it, regardless of if you think it's a "girl's game". 2. So I do apologize if I've offended anyone, but I simply do not like having my gender treated as though it's either A) some choice I get to make, or B) somehow changeable. I know for some people both of these apply, but I am not one of those people, 3. and so I don't want my "gender" to be decided around a hypothesis that was more or less written around them.

4. Now, as per my feelings towards LGBT community, they can do what they want so long as it isn't in my face. 5. Also, I think a marriage should be considered legitimate if one party is transgendered and has not informed the other party, so long as the non-transgendered party actually wishes to pursue divorce in this case. If not, then obviously he or she is okay with the situation so there is no further issue. 6. For identification and such, I feel trans persons should be allowed a third gender option (T perhaps), but I personally do not approve of issuing a "male" or "female" description if they are transgendered, 7. partly because I feel like it makes it easier to hide this fact from a potential relationship partner, which I consider to be an infringement upon that person's sexuality and sexual rights. 8. Just because a trans person views them self as a different "gender" doesn't mean somebody else will, and 9. it also doesn't mean somebody else will be sexually and romantically attracted to them, so it's not fair to force that on someone who isn't interested in it.


1. Just an FYI, that's sex, not gender.

2. Except, neither are involved with the concept of gender identity.

3. Not exactly a hypothesis, much less, one that was "written around " us. I totally respect the fact that you think of yourself as a dude, but your words seem to indicate you think you're a dude because you happen to have a dick.

4. Define "in your face". And what about what you do in our faces?

5. So, you honestly think a trans person's safety should come second to other people "needing" to know whether or not the person they're with is trans? Because that's literally the only reason the trans people who aren't more open and up front about being trans is because they fear for their lives.

6. How about this?: Grant trans folks who are in the binary identification reflecting their identity, and grant those of us who aren't in the binary IDs reflecting our identities, instead of issuing a blanket "all transgender people must be considered a third gender" ID.

7. Again, its an issue of safety. Trans deception is a myth, and a harmful stereotype.

8. Well they can get the fuck over themselves. Since when did other people get to dictate who I am?

9. And yet its somehow fair to force trans people to expose themselves to even more danger than we often already are, just so somebody else can sleep soundly at night knowing they aren't dating some "tranny"? Where's our right to sleep soundly at night?
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:19 pm

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Same here. I date the woman. Not her genitalia. My fiance knows my proclivities and attractions and compensates appropriately (and affectionately). I only tolerate hair on my legs because she likes it. I only tolerate hair on my face because every woman I've dated likes it.

In my mind, that makes me straight - being attracted to the feminine ideal within a binary gender paradigm.

Please, stop doing this. Start disagreeing with me. Please.

I'm getting weird, unpleasant shivers indicating an inherent wrongness of the situation from the opinion overlap I never expected to happen.


I'm sorry for disregarding your feels, bruh.

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Postby Carbon based lifeforms » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:23 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Carbon based lifeforms wrote:Where's the "idgaf about gender" option? Or should I just vote "other"?


Depends on if you're referring to the gender(s) you're attracted to, or the gender you identify as.

Both. I'm male, as in physically male, and I'm attracted to females, as in physically female. Gender is, to me, just a bunch of stereotypes that I refuse to try and fit into.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:27 pm

Carbon based lifeforms wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Depends on if you're referring to the gender(s) you're attracted to, or the gender you identify as.

Both. I'm male, as in physically male, and I'm attracted to females, as in physically female. Gender is, to me, just a bunch of stereotypes that I refuse to try and fit into.


Well, I disagree with that bit about gender being stereotypes, because its actually gender roles (which aren't gender) that you're talking about.

But, if I had to say, based on the other stuff, you're agender, and a gynosexual.
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Postby Carbon based lifeforms » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Carbon based lifeforms wrote:Both. I'm male, as in physically male, and I'm attracted to females, as in physically female. Gender is, to me, just a bunch of stereotypes that I refuse to try and fit into.


Well, I disagree with that bit about gender being stereotypes, because its actually gender roles (which aren't gender) that you're talking about.

Okay, I need to know more about this, if you don't mind.

As far as I can tell, "sex" is physical and "gender" are the personality characteristics usually associated with a certain sex. So what's the difference between "gender" and "gender roles"?
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Postby Allector » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:37 pm

I'm a male and hetero for the most part, though I do have a slight bisexual lean (or bisexual with a strong hetero lean/preference, whatever you want to call it). Essentially, I can be sexually attracted to men under the right conditions and I'm not put off by the idea of being in a relationship with another man, but I much prefer women.
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Postby Dalcaria » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:52 pm

Grenartia wrote:1. Just an FYI, that's sex, not gender.


Which I get, I simply find the usage of it to be rather.... Well, awkward. The way people describe "gender" makes it sound more like personality, or maybe hormones and how that affects your brain, which boils down to your sex then (I assume)

Grenartia wrote:2. Except, neither are involved with the concept of gender identity.


Which again seems like a rather vague term. I see myself as "male" only because I have male body parts. Everything that goes on in my mind is either me (and I don't think I became a gender type any time recently) or the hormones that make me function as I do, which are related to my sex.

Grenartia wrote:3. Not exactly a hypothesis, much less, one that was "written around " us. I totally respect the fact that you think of yourself as a dude, but your words seem to indicate you think you're a dude because you happen to have a dick.


Difference of opinions here. My belief is that how you are born is what you are (sex wise at least), and then gender just seems to take things like personality and hormones and try to apply that to "gender". Maybe I'm wrong, but that's certainly how it seems.

Grenartia wrote:4. Define "in your face". And what about what you do in our faces?


Well it kind of means what it says. If I don't have to see you doing something (like being sexual, or perhaps gay pride parades, which I mention only because some of them boil down a lot to sexuality) then I'm fine. And what exactly do I do in your faces? If you're referring to people gay bashing, that's what I consider hate speech, and ergo a crime. If you're referring to heterosexual couples being overly sexual in public, then no I don't approve of that simply because they're heterosexual, they can take it to their room. And given that I've never heard of a straight pride parade, I doubt that's much of an "in your face" issue. As for that, I've got no other complaints. Go ahead and get married, adopt children perhaps even, and do what you wish in terms of sexual activity, just don't do it in public (a rule that obviously applies to everybody anyways).

Grenartia wrote:5. So, you honestly think a trans person's safety should come second to other people "needing" to know whether or not the person they're with is trans? Because that's literally the only reason the trans people who aren't more open and up front about being trans is because they fear for their lives.


Which I totally understand, however I live in a country (Canada) where that is (from my own experience) considerably rarer than in other countries. I live in basically a hill billy town with at least two fairly open trans persons, and they have so far suffered no issues of safety to themselves. Of course, I'm also not wanting trans people to wear some sort of "T" badge on their shirts to identify them either because I realize how off the wall insane that would be. Asking for a T to be put on their passport or birth certificate aren't much to ask in a civilized nation, and those nation's that would pose a threat to them? Those aren't exactly what I consider "civilized" nations, or at least not decent ones. Still, if a Trans person wishes to go and visit Russia (for example) then maybe an alternative out of country passport could be designed for them. I simply don't think it's fair that someone else's sexuality get's forced on a person, especially given that marriages can be annulled for far less severe reasons (ex. being drunk, marrying a twin to the person you intended to marry, etc).

Grenartia wrote:6. How about this?: Grant trans folks who are in the binary identification reflecting their identity, and grant those of us who aren't in the binary IDs reflecting our identities, instead of issuing a blanket "all transgender people must be considered a third gender" ID.


Because there should be some kind of a paper trail to legally prove a person has in fact legally changed their gender. I think this is important for potential partners (albeit, no person should be forced to reveal this kind of information about themselves, nor should it be obtainable without the permission of the person being asked about) to have this option, should the other party consent, and I also think it may avoid issues with traveling, immigrating, emigrating, etc. I could be wrong, but I do think it could be useful.

Grenartia wrote:7. Again, its an issue of safety. Trans deception is a myth, and a harmful stereotype.


You misunderstand me. I am not saying it is always the case, I am saying it is a potential case, and it's unfair for someone else to force their sexuality on someone. As for safety, I'm sure there are ways to work with this, but bare in mind that many other groups face as much (if not more) safety issues than trans people (like people of other races, or homosexuals), and none of them have had to show a passport or birth certificate to be put in danger either.

Grenartia wrote:8. Well they can get the fuck over themselves. Since when did other people get to dictate who I am?


And who is trying to dictate who you are exactly? Don't read what you want out of what I said. If someone marries a person and finds out later they are transgendered, they should have every right to seek an annulment of the marriage, and I don't think they should be made to feel bad for that because it was their sexuality that was infringed upon. And again, I am not suggesting that trans people should have to inform people they are transgendered, but I don't see why there shouldn't be some kind of an option.

Grenartia wrote:9. And yet its somehow fair to force trans people to expose themselves to even more danger than we often already are, just so somebody else can sleep soundly at night knowing they aren't dating some "tranny"? Where's our right to sleep soundly at night?


Do tell where you think this danger is coming from? If you feel your life is threatened then guess what? There are probably other ways of finding out if your trans then just looking at a birth certificate. And frankly, if you're in such danger where you are, then that's a matter of hate crimes that your country seriously needs to get a handle on. As I said, I know of two very open trans people in my town, and they've been excepted with open arms. And for the record, this town used to be a KKK run town, so that should speak for something. But if you think telling a potential romantic interest you're transgendered is going to put your life in danger, then please tell me, what logical, rational person, would try to pursue a relationship with a person like that? Because that and/or a doctor or legal professional should be the only people you should ever have to reveal your gender to. Not the media, not the country, not anything that puts that in the public eye. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't lawyers, doctors, etc. bound by some kind of confidentiality law? Only in a corrupt and backwards nation would those things get thrown out the window, in which case you probably shouldn't live there. Laws are meant to protect all people, and if they aren't doing that then you need to reconsider your residence.
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Not really a surprise. Lording imaginary power over others through a simulation game is a decidedly male and oppressive characteristic.
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GraySoap wrote:Not really a surprise. Lording imaginary power over others through a simulation game is a decidedly male and oppressive characteristic.

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GraySoap wrote:Not really a surprise. Lording imaginary power over others through a simulation game is a decidedly male and oppressive characteristic.

NSG doesn't really offer imaginary powers.
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GraySoap wrote:Not really a surprise. Lording imaginary power over others through a simulation game is a decidedly male and oppressive characteristic.

NSG doesn't really offer imaginary powers.

NationStates in general, though of course NSG probably has skewed demographics compared to NS in total.
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Carbon based lifeforms wrote:
GraySoap wrote:Not really a surprise. Lording imaginary power over others through a simulation game is a decidedly male and oppressive characteristic.

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Last time I checked, I never fapped to any of the flags here.
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Carbon based lifeforms wrote:"NationStates: for the modern man, who doesn't know what to do with all his testosterone!"

Last time I checked, I never fapped to any of the flags here.

You didn't? Weirdo...
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Lol, i read some stuff about asexuality, wich i think i am, but the more i read about it the more confused i get...

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I'm pansexual, and my gender identity is confused screaming.
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Rocopurr wrote:I'm pansexual, and my gender identity is confused screaming.

What would pansexual mean, exactly? You feel attracted to everything?
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Rocopurr wrote:I'm pansexual, and my gender identity is confused screaming.


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Great Kleomentia wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:I'm pansexual, and my gender identity is confused screaming.

What would pansexual mean, exactly? You feel attracted to everything?

All genders and sexes, yup. It's different than bisexual since that's just attraction to two.

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Rocopurr wrote:I'm pansexual, and my gender identity is confused screaming.


"The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Something very like fright had come over me before anything more definite than rock and ooze and weed was seen" - Rocopurr on sexuality.

Wouldn't that be Rocopurr on gender identity? Because that is exactly how I feel.
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Rocopurr wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:What would pansexual mean, exactly? You feel attracted to everything?

All genders and sexes, yup. It's different than bisexual since that's just attraction to two.

Oh, for a second there i thought that it would also mean you were attracted to animals and objects as well.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:33 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:What would pansexual mean, exactly? You feel attracted to everything?

All genders and sexes, yup. It's different than bisexual since that's just attraction to two.

The Rich Port wrote:
"The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.
Something very like fright had come over me before anything more definite than rock and ooze and weed was seen" - Rocopurr on sexuality.

Wouldn't that be Rocopurr on gender identity? Because that is exactly how I feel.


"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" - Rocopurr on gender identity.

Is that better? :lol:

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Postby Liberillia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:34 pm

The never ending new genders never cease to amaze me, not saying their invalid in anyway, there are simply always new ones! This is coming from a rather plain bisexual I'm afraid!

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