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Which Party are you most similar to? (By Weighted Results and bar graph)

Greens
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27%
Labour
22
17%
National
11
8%
United Future
15
12%
ACT
15
12%
Mana
11
8%
Maori
5
4%
New Zealand First
11
8%
Tie (please state which)
5
4%
 
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:20 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:How can I answer about the funding of the DOC if I don't know how it is currently funded?


It had it's funding slashed quite dramatically. Think of it as the Park's Service being deprived of several billion dollars.


Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:21 pm

71% Greens
71% Labour
62% United Future
60% MANA
57% Maori
56% NZF
53% National
24% ACT

I agree with the Greens/Labour/UF being top 3, but I'd vote for National over Mana, Maori, NZF, and ACT. National's pretty centrist this time around.

I think a Labour-Green government will be good, though. But I'm not gonna be extremely upset if National wins.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
It had it's funding slashed quite dramatically. Think of it as the Park's Service being deprived of several billion dollars.


Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.

Sorry? The entire National Park Service funding comes from Federal sources. What doesn't?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:22 pm

Ok for the abortion question, what i meant by medical approval? An abortion is a medical things, so shouldn't it always require medical approval?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:25 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Note how I said "helped." Key, as far as I know, supported the bill.


He did. But at the same time, he essentially made the vote one of conscious, which is why most of the opposition to the bill came from National (including my own damned MP).

I'm not saying the bill was implemented because of him, I'm just acknowledging his role in the passing of the bill. I was previously unaware of the SIS document scandal, and it's made me question my support of National for the upcoming election.


Well, there's that plus the alleged abuse of the justice system by the Minister of Justice and the scandal around the resignation of Maurice Williamson who rang police to "help" out a significant resident Chinese businessman who donated to the National Party. Then there's the GCSB Bill which allows the government to spy on New Zealanders and supposedly knew about the police illegally spying on Kim Dotcom.

So just a couple of hiccups.

On a somewhat related note, given what I've heard and read, Cunliffe is much more left wing than Helen Clark, and he belongs to the more "leftist wing" of the Labour Party. That's another reason as to why I'd choose Key over Cunliffe. However, I could be wrong as I'm not a kiwi. I've simply read and heard about Cunliffe.


Cunliffe is a bit of a moron. His policies aren't particularly good (hell, even the Green Party has got their shit together) and he spends far too much time going from gaffe to gaffe. He made a statement in which he said he was going to focus on the main issues of this upcoming election and then spent two days complaining about how the proposed television host for a leader's debate was "too biased".

In terms of his standing, I don't think he's more left-wing than Helen Clark as he was a former member of her Cabinet. I do think he is significantly more reactionary than she was.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.

Sorry? The entire National Park Service funding comes from Federal sources. What doesn't?


I know at least for the Grand Canyon, quite a bit comes from the state as well as fees paid by people visiting the park. Problem is, I rad that on a brochure I don't have access to anymore.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:26 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Ok for the abortion question, what i meant by medical approval? An abortion is a medical things, so shouldn't it always require medical approval?


I think it's the approval or a doctor or a GP.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:29 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
It had it's funding slashed quite dramatically. Think of it as the Park's Service being deprived of several billion dollars.


Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.


National Parks in New Zealand are free to enter. The Department of Conservation, which manages the National Parks, is entirely government funded.

Here's an overview of what it does.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:29 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Note how I said "helped." Key, as far as I know, supported the bill.


He did. But at the same time, he essentially made the vote one of conscious, which is why most of the opposition to the bill came from National (including my own damned MP).

I'm not saying the bill was implemented because of him, I'm just acknowledging his role in the passing of the bill. I was previously unaware of the SIS document scandal, and it's made me question my support of National for the upcoming election.


Well, there's that plus the alleged abuse of the justice system by the Minister of Justice and the scandal around the resignation of Maurice Williamson who rang police to "help" out a significant resident Chinese businessman who donated to the National Party. Then there's the GCSB Bill which allows the government to spy on New Zealanders and supposedly knew about the police illegally spying on Kim Dotcom.

So just a couple of hiccups.

On a somewhat related note, given what I've heard and read, Cunliffe is much more left wing than Helen Clark, and he belongs to the more "leftist wing" of the Labour Party. That's another reason as to why I'd choose Key over Cunliffe. However, I could be wrong as I'm not a kiwi. I've simply read and heard about Cunliffe.


Cunliffe is a bit of a moron. His policies aren't particularly good (hell, even the Green Party has got their shit together) and he spends far too much time going from gaffe to gaffe. He made a statement in which he said he was going to focus on the main issues of this upcoming election and then spent two days complaining about how the proposed television host for a leader's debate was "too biased".

In terms of his standing, I don't think he's more left-wing than Helen Clark as he was a former member of her Cabinet. I do think he is significantly more reactionary than she was.


Well, then I must've heard wrong, and what I've read has been wrong. I always thought Cunliffe was similar to someone like Ed Milliband, who is more of a "Old Labour" type of person.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:31 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.


National Parks in New Zealand are free to enter. The Department of Conservation, which manages the National Parks, is entirely government funded.

Here's an overview of what it does.


I got what it does, I just didn't know about it's finances.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:33 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Well, then I must've heard wrong, and what I've read has been wrong. I always thought Cunliffe was similar to someone like Ed Milliband, who is more of a "Old Labour" type of person.


I consider him part of the "old guard" but he's no more left-wing than Helen Clark ever was. Nothing of what he says is particularly left wing but is just simply "opposed to whatever the government does for the sake of it".
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:34 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Well, then I must've heard wrong, and what I've read has been wrong. I always thought Cunliffe was similar to someone like Ed Milliband, who is more of a "Old Labour" type of person.


I consider him part of the "old guard" but he's no more left-wing than Helen Clark ever was. Nothing of what he says is particularly left wing but is just simply "opposed to whatever the government does for the sake of it".


So, I presume you'll be supporting Key in the upcoming election?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:35 pm

Also, if anyone has any questions about the survey or the parties and their politicians, don't hesitate to ask me.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:38 pm

One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:39 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
I consider him part of the "old guard" but he's no more left-wing than Helen Clark ever was. Nothing of what he says is particularly left wing but is just simply "opposed to whatever the government does for the sake of it".


So, I presume you'll be supporting Key in the upcoming election?


Yeah. The latest issue has certainly made me question the ethics of some of the National Party's staff (although it's links with the blogger are certainly well known) but I don't believe that Labour has what it takes to govern. And I also think that Key was not aware of what was happening before the book came out.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.


I suppose I understand what you're talking about. However, I was always under the presumption that Clark was a third way social democrat, and a member of the so called "New Labour" movement.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.


Cunliffe doesn't have an economic policy. His campaign is based around the whole "whatever National does, we'll remove/repeal/nationalize it".
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:42 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.


I suppose I understand what you're talking about. However, I was always under the presumption that Clark was a third way social democrat, and a member of the so called "New Labour" movement.


Yeah, she was. A very social liberal New Labour-style politician though. And Cunliffe is slightly to the left of that.

As for Cunliffe, Stuff like this, this, and this is more "old labour" while stuff like this and this is a mix of both.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:56 pm

I didn't answer quite a few questions, but I am most like the Labour Party and MRI party.
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Postby Miley World » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:58 pm

I got:

1. Maori Party: 64%
2. United Future: 61%
3. Mana Party: 59%
4. Labour Party: 58%
7. NZ First: 48%

On the grid I'm pretty close to NZ First. I'm on the left side and in the middle between progressive and conservative.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:01 pm

The bar graph gave me near identical percentages for Lab, UF and NP. The weighted results put me next to New Zealand First.

I don't know anything about your politics, but it's probably because I support the continued repression of the sheep and Hobbitses.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:08 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The bar graph gave me near identical percentages for Lab, UF and NP. The weighted results put me next to New Zealand First.

I don't know anything about your politics, but it's probably because I support the continued repression of the sheep and Hobbitses.


You also apparently feel comfortable around decomposing bodies and hate Chinese people/foreigners in general.
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Postby Valentir » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:17 am

LAB 66%
MRI 64%
UF 60%
NP 57%
MNA 54%
NZF 54%
GRN 46%
ACT 41%
I'm up there with Labour, which seems somewhat accurate.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:21 am

Green Party (87%)
Mana (83%)
MRI (67%)
Labor (65%)
NZF (52%)
NP (39%)
ACT (19%)
CPNZ (0%)
IP (0%)

Pretty accurate.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:43 am

Luziyca wrote:Green Party (87%)
Mana (83%)
MRI (67%)
Labor (65%)
NZF (52%)
NP (39%)
ACT (19%)
CPNZ (0%)
IP (0%)

Pretty accurate.


I'm surprised it's the Green Party. I had a look at their economic and public transport policies and it's pretty robust, including the creation of a for-profit government owned investment bank. Certainly they seem to have better ideas than Labour does.
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