Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.
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by Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:20 pm

by Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:21 pm

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by Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:22 pm

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:25 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Note how I said "helped." Key, as far as I know, supported the bill.
I'm not saying the bill was implemented because of him, I'm just acknowledging his role in the passing of the bill. I was previously unaware of the SIS document scandal, and it's made me question my support of National for the upcoming election.
On a somewhat related note, given what I've heard and read, Cunliffe is much more left wing than Helen Clark, and he belongs to the more "leftist wing" of the Labour Party. That's another reason as to why I'd choose Key over Cunliffe. However, I could be wrong as I'm not a kiwi. I've simply read and heard about Cunliffe.

by Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:25 pm

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:26 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Ok for the abortion question, what i meant by medical approval? An abortion is a medical things, so shouldn't it always require medical approval?

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:29 pm

by The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:29 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:The Scientific States wrote:Note how I said "helped." Key, as far as I know, supported the bill.
He did. But at the same time, he essentially made the vote one of conscious, which is why most of the opposition to the bill came from National (including my own damned MP).I'm not saying the bill was implemented because of him, I'm just acknowledging his role in the passing of the bill. I was previously unaware of the SIS document scandal, and it's made me question my support of National for the upcoming election.
Well, there's that plus the alleged abuse of the justice system by the Minister of Justice and the scandal around the resignation of Maurice Williamson who rang police to "help" out a significant resident Chinese businessman who donated to the National Party. Then there's the GCSB Bill which allows the government to spy on New Zealanders and supposedly knew about the police illegally spying on Kim Dotcom.
So just a couple of hiccups.On a somewhat related note, given what I've heard and read, Cunliffe is much more left wing than Helen Clark, and he belongs to the more "leftist wing" of the Labour Party. That's another reason as to why I'd choose Key over Cunliffe. However, I could be wrong as I'm not a kiwi. I've simply read and heard about Cunliffe.
Cunliffe is a bit of a moron. His policies aren't particularly good (hell, even the Green Party has got their shit together) and he spends far too much time going from gaffe to gaffe. He made a statement in which he said he was going to focus on the main issues of this upcoming election and then spent two days complaining about how the proposed television host for a leader's debate was "too biased".
In terms of his standing, I don't think he's more left-wing than Helen Clark as he was a former member of her Cabinet. I do think he is significantly more reactionary than she was.

by Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:31 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Ouch, I know for the US most of the funding for the national parks comes from non federal government sources, and they are hurting.
National Parks in New Zealand are free to enter. The Department of Conservation, which manages the National Parks, is entirely government funded.
Here's an overview of what it does.

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:33 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Well, then I must've heard wrong, and what I've read has been wrong. I always thought Cunliffe was similar to someone like Ed Milliband, who is more of a "Old Labour" type of person.

by The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:34 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:The Scientific States wrote:Well, then I must've heard wrong, and what I've read has been wrong. I always thought Cunliffe was similar to someone like Ed Milliband, who is more of a "Old Labour" type of person.
I consider him part of the "old guard" but he's no more left-wing than Helen Clark ever was. Nothing of what he says is particularly left wing but is just simply "opposed to whatever the government does for the sake of it".

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:35 pm

by Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:38 pm

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:39 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:
I consider him part of the "old guard" but he's no more left-wing than Helen Clark ever was. Nothing of what he says is particularly left wing but is just simply "opposed to whatever the government does for the sake of it".
So, I presume you'll be supporting Key in the upcoming election?

by The Scientific States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.

by Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.

by Atlanticatia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:42 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Atlanticatia wrote:One thing Cunliffe lacks is Clark's sheer ability to control and win elections, and she knew how to get what she wanted. Clark was probably pretty far to the left, but I think that she was more focused on social reform and getting re-elected, whereas Cunliffe is more focused on 'old Labour' stuff, i.e. economic policy, but I wouldn't really call him far left. If that makes any sense.
I suppose I understand what you're talking about. However, I was always under the presumption that Clark was a third way social democrat, and a member of the so called "New Labour" movement.

by Neutraligon » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:56 pm

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by Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:08 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The bar graph gave me near identical percentages for Lab, UF and NP. The weighted results put me next to New Zealand First.
I don't know anything about your politics, but it's probably because I support the continued repression of the sheep and Hobbitses.

by Luziyca » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:21 am

by Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:43 am
Luziyca wrote:Green Party (87%)
Mana (83%)
MRI (67%)
Labor (65%)
NZF (52%)
NP (39%)
ACT (19%)
CPNZ (0%)
IP (0%)
Pretty accurate.
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