Woman finds a Nazi symbol in her chicken sandwich.

[The Sotoan Union]

The cross was not the forefront symbol of a modern era and infamous regime who is responsible for crimes against humanity.

You sure ? Looking at the last few millenia Christians have been rather meanish to people...

Some have done great things. Some have done horrible things. You can't assign morality to a concept.

[The Alma Mater]

Actually it is a pretty universal holy symbol found in just about every religion on the planet. Which is why Hitler claimed it for his little gang.
The sad thing is that people in the western world now tend to associate it with him instead of everything else. Which some people, including myself, oppose - since it is akin to "letting Hitler win".

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have people hating the swastika in mind when he was plotting his master plans.

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

[Calisu]

looks pretty crossy to me

Notice the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background. Those are necessary for it to be a KKK symbol, because that is the symbol and badge they use for their membership.

So without the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background it's just a normal cross? Yet without the white circle and red background the swastika is still a symbol of hate?

[Korouse]

So McDonald's religiously discriminating against their employees?

The cross was not the forefront symbol of a modern era and infamous regime who is responsible for crimes against humanity.

Those evil Hindus! They're supporting Nazism! Ban their religion!

(by that logic, we should also punish Christians because the Knights Templar used it in their crusades, and they're just so evil!)

[The Alma Mater]

You sure ? Looking at the last few millenia Christians have been rather meanish to people...

Some have done great things. Some have done horrible things. You can't assign morality to a concept.

Last time I checked Christianiy was a system of morality

[Calisu]

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have people hating the swastika in mind when he was plotting his master plans.

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

Hitler did a lot of bad things. However saying he wasn't smart and charismatic is disgracing those who died fighting against the Nazi regime.

[The Sotoan Union]

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have people hating the swastika in mind when he was plotting his master plans.

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

Respect?

[Korouse]

Some have done great things. Some have done horrible things. You can't assign morality to a concept.

Last time I checked Christianiy was a system of morality

I think Hitler probably thought what he was doing was Moral!

BAN THOSE CHRISTIANS.

[Uelvan]

Notice the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background. Those are necessary for it to be a KKK symbol, because that is the symbol and badge they use for their membership.

So without the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background it's just a normal cross? Yet without the white circle and red background the swastika is still a symbol of hate?

If it was only used like that, then maybe but you have instances where the Nazis used it without the red and white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png

[The Sotoan Union]

Some have done great things. Some have done horrible things. You can't assign morality to a concept.

Last time I checked Christianiy was a system of morality

That some people haven't followed. Are they evil. Yes. Is christianity evil? No. It's a concept.

That's like saying Russia is evil. "Russia is so evil. Every Russian that ever did bad things did so because they were Russian. No other factors."

[Calisu]

So without the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background it's just a normal cross? Yet without the white circle and red background the swastika is still a symbol of hate?

If it was only used like that, then maybe but you have instances where the Nazis used it without the red and white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png

Again without the other symbols using your logic the swastika is harmless.
If the burger guy had done anything like what's depicted in that image I would agree, but he drew a simple peace symbol.

[Ifreann]

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have people hating the swastika in mind when he was plotting his master plans.

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

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Notice the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background. Those are necessary for it to be a KKK symbol, because that is the symbol and badge they use for their membership.

So without the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background it's just a normal cross? Yet without the white circle and red background the swastika is still a symbol of hate?

It's almost like you're deliberately ignoring that context is a thing.

[The Alma Mater]

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

Respect?

Yep. By associating the symbol with Hitler you are showing Hitler respect.

Obama had the right idea with Osama - just dump the body and forget the guy. Do not honour him, do not associate symbolism with him - do not give him credit at all.

[Occupied Deutschland]

If it was only used like that, then maybe but you have instances where the Nazis used it without the red and white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png

Again without the other symbols using your logic the swastika is harmless.
If the burger guy had done anything like what's depicted in that image I would agree, but he drew a simple peace symbol.

Source on the man who made the chicken sandwich being Buddhist?

[Tekania]

This topic still going strong?

I swear, this is not that big a deal.

It seems some people will make any leap of logic to defend the use of Nazi symbols.

Indeed, we have one "bored" employee drawning at least one swastika on a [i]b]McDonald's Southern-Style Crispy Chicken Sandwich[/b]'s bun and getting fired for it..... and people have th audacity and gall to defend him. Some people even want to reward him for it.

Looks like I have to lay on the context thick for these people.... like the customer was planning to do with the mayonnaise on her sandwich.

[The Sotoan Union]

Respect?

Yep. By associating the symbol with Hitler you are showing Hitler respect.

Obama had the right idea with Osama - just dump the body and forget the guy. Do not honour him, do not associate symbolism with him - do not give him credit at all.

We associate the symbol with Hitler. That same society also makes video games where you can shoot Hitler in the face, and movies where he burns to death. No that is not respect.

Furthermore it is entirely factual to associate it with the Nazis, because it was their official symbol.

[Ifreann]

If it was only used like that, then maybe but you have instances where the Nazis used it without the red and white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png

Again without the other symbols using your logic the swastika is harmless.
If the burger guy had done anything like what's depicted in that image I would agree, but he drew a simple peace symbol.

Weird that he never thought to say as much in his own defence. Gosh. Maybe he didn't think he was drawing a simple peace symbol and you're actually defending a wanker who thinks that Nazi symbols are good fun.

[Uelvan]

If it was only used like that, then maybe but you have instances where the Nazis used it without the red and white.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 29.svg.png

Again without the other symbols using your logic the swastika is harmless.
If the burger guy had done anything like what's depicted in that image I would agree, but he drew a simple peace symbol.

Do I have to spell it out to you like a first grader? Here's an example of the Nazis using the Swastika without any fancy adornment, incase you do not understand how symbols work.

http://propagander2.tripod.com/nol29.gif

[Korouse]

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

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So without the fire symbol in the tilted square with the red circular background it's just a normal cross? Yet without the white circle and red background the swastika is still a symbol of hate?

It's almost like you're deliberately ignoring that context is a thing.

So you'd rather just hate instead of learn?

That sounds like a book I read.... hmmmm...

That's right! 1984 by George Orwell where the population had hate week.

[Royal Hindustan]

I am a Hindu in America and yes we do use the Swastik symbol because it is a religious. Qwe lie n a predominantly white neighbourhood. You know why we don't have problems, cause the people around us aren't ignorant bastards.

Interesting. Where do you live? And how is it displayed? Could be I missed it.

I live in Central Ohio. We draw it on our front porch as part of the rangoli. No it is not a car ritual, it is a symbol of prosperity

[Korouse]

Again without the other symbols using your logic the swastika is harmless.
If the burger guy had done anything like what's depicted in that image I would agree, but he drew a simple peace symbol.

Weird that he never thought to say as much in his own defence. Gosh. Maybe he didn't think he was drawing a simple peace symbol and you're actually defending a wanker who thinks that Nazi symbols are good fun.

So you think this guy's life should be ruined, completely, over a fucking butter swastika?

[The Alma Mater]

But by granting him the honour of associating the symbol primarily with him he still wins.
The guy simply should not be given that much credit and respect.

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

And you do that by associating the swastika with them... how exactly ?

In addition it is also a bloody stupid thing to remember and shows you no understanding at all about what WW II told us.
To aid: the lesson from WW II is that just about every person can be fucking evil. Not just Hitler, not just the nazis - but every fucking one. The barbers, the butchers, the bakers, the candlestickmakers - all were perfectly able of looking away, believing the Jews deserved everything and saying "wir haben es nicht gewusst" afterwards.

So if you really care about not repeating things like the holocaust stop pretending that the nazis were some special group of evil people, and start looking at your neighbours. And yourself. Because there is evil in all of us.

[Calisu]

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

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It's almost like you're deliberately ignoring that context is a thing.

So you'd rather just hate instead of learn?

That sounds like a book I read.... hmmmm...

That's right! 1984 by George Orwell where the population had hate week.

Or another famous book more apt to this situation "Mien Kampf"

[Occupied Deutschland]

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

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It's almost like you're deliberately ignoring that context is a thing.

So you'd rather just hate instead of learn?

That sounds like a book I read.... hmmmm...

That's right! 1984 by George Orwell where the population had hate week.

Somehow, I notice a difference between ignorant hatred of people based on government propaganda and hating the GOD-DAMNED NAZIS FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PEOPLE BASED ON HISTORICAL FACT.

Fucking Christ.

[The Sotoan Union]

So we should forget history in some attempt to spite a dead man? No thanks. I'd rather remember that the Nazis were fucking evil and think badly of anyone who associates themselves with those fucking evil people.

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It's almost like you're deliberately ignoring that context is a thing.

So you'd rather just hate instead of learn?

That sounds like a book I read.... hmmmm...

That's right! 1984 by George Orwell where the population had hate week.

It's not ignorance of the Swastika's history. It's knowledge that the symbol will forever more be associated with the Nazis more than any other culture.