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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:37 am

Calisu wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Are they important enough to affect all of society's views on a symbol?

If some culture used the Swastika and affected world history right now, we would associate the Swastika with them. Until then it will always have its Nazi connotation shine through. Basically the Nazis are the most memorable users, the most influential, and the most important.

Maybe to you...

Maybe to most people. Maybe to the cultures of every single country they fought.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swasti ... istory.htm

Read the whole thing.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:37 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
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I'm of the opinion that despite the fact that the swastika's reputation as a whole has been tarnished and that it's use should be restricted in the mainstream, that the Hindu and Nazi interpretations are very hard to confuse. I've stated as such.

Meanwhile you only seem to be able to respond with emojis and one-liners, which leads me to believe that I've been arguing with a child.


You do realize your comments from that one person are based on assumptions. One of the reasons I asked questions of him which he hadn't responded. The fact the two symbols do look different doesn't mean much if you haven't seen the original before.


It's not at all an assumption that the form and context in which Hindus (and Buddhists as well as other groups) use the swastika is very, very different from the way Nazis did.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:38 am

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Dyakovo wrote:You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

He wasn't doing it as a form of religious expression, so his "religious right" was not infringed upon.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:39 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Calisu wrote:Maybe to you...

Maybe to most people. Maybe to the cultures of every single country they fought.

Again source.

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Postby The Slightly Hellish Dictatorship Of Yuk » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:39 am

Although it is known as the nazi symbol, the swaztica was (and is) a Hindu symbol.

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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:39 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Calisu wrote:Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

He wasn't doing it as a form of religious expression, so his "religious right" was not infringed upon.

Prove it.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:40 am

Calisu wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Maybe to most people. Maybe to the cultures of every single country they fought.

Again source.

Check it again.

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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:41 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Calisu wrote:Again source.

Check it again.

Nope

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:41 am

Calisu wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Check it again.

Nope

Nope as in didn't find it or nope as in you won't read the source for some reason.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:42 am

Calisu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:He wasn't doing it as a form of religious expression, so his "religious right" was not infringed upon.

Prove it.

Read the source in the OP. The proof is there.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:42 am

Calisu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:He wasn't doing it as a form of religious expression, so his "religious right" was not infringed upon.

Prove it.

He said himself that he drew it because he was bored. http://www.techtimes.com/articles/12827/20140812/mcdonalds-employee-fired-over-drawing-butter-swastika.htm
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Postby Uelvan » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:42 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Calisu wrote:Nope

Nope as in didn't find it or nope as in you won't read the source for some reason.


Probably nope as in he's going to cover his ears and shout LALALALALAL because he has no argument.

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Postby Great Kleomentia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:42 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Slavs regularly used the Swastika and the Kolovrat(the double swastika in my flag), do you mean to say that they aren't as important as Germans?

Are they important enough to affect all of society's views on a symbol?

If some culture used the Swastika and affected world history right now, we would associate the Swastika with them. Until then it will always have its Nazi connotation shine through. Basically the Nazis are the most memorable users, the most influential, and the most important.

That's a matter of opinion. One could be more influenced by the minor use of the Swastika in Hindu culture than by the use of the Swastika in Nazi Germany. Sure, the Germans made themselves more memorable, but doesn't negate the fact that the Swastika also represents peace and unity. Hence, it is a matter of opinion in this case.
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Postby New Terricon » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:42 am

I PAY to have offensive symbols implemented onto my food!
I may start using this as my main account, I dunno.

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Postby Proskoya » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:43 am

This topic still going strong?

I swear, this is not that big a deal.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:44 am

New Terricon wrote:I PAY to have offensive symbols implemented onto my food!

If the swastika is offensive so is the christian cross.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:44 am

Great Kleomentia wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Are they important enough to affect all of society's views on a symbol?

If some culture used the Swastika and affected world history right now, we would associate the Swastika with them. Until then it will always have its Nazi connotation shine through. Basically the Nazis are the most memorable users, the most influential, and the most important.

That's a matter of opinion. One could be more influenced by the minor use of the Swastika in Hindu culture than by the use of the Swastika in Nazi Germany. Sure, the Germans made themselves more memorable, but doesn't negate the fact that the Swastika also represents peace and unity. Hence, it is a matter of opinion in this case.

But surely you know that this is the opinion of most of society.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swasti ... istory.htm

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:45 am

Proskoya wrote:This topic still going strong?

I swear, this is not that big a deal.

Very true. It's silly that people are getting all worked up over an employee getting fired for violating company policy.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:45 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:That's a matter of opinion. One could be more influenced by the minor use of the Swastika in Hindu culture than by the use of the Swastika in Nazi Germany. Sure, the Germans made themselves more memorable, but doesn't negate the fact that the Swastika also represents peace and unity. Hence, it is a matter of opinion in this case.

But surely you know that this is the opinion of most of society.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swasti ... istory.htm

Which society? I'm assuming if you asked a Hindu you'd get a different opinion.

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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:46 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Proskoya wrote:This topic still going strong?

I swear, this is not that big a deal.

Very true. It's silly that people are getting all worked up over an employee getting fired for violating company policy.

Still waiting on you to prove he didn't do it for religious reasons.

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Postby The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:46 am

Calisu wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:But surely you know that this is the opinion of most of society.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swasti ... istory.htm

Which society? I'm assuming if you asked a Hindu you'd get a different opinion.

Hindus come from India. Indians fought against Nazis. Plus the Hindus didn't flaunt the symbol like the Nazis did. It wasn't their primary symbol.

And did you read the source you are quoting?

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Postby Uelvan » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:47 am

Calisu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Very true. It's silly that people are getting all worked up over an employee getting fired for violating company policy.

Still waiting on you to prove he didn't do it for religious reasons.


Read the article. He claimed to do it because he was bored. If he did it for religious reasons, he would have said so.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:47 am

Calisu wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:But surely you know that this is the opinion of most of society.

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swasti ... istory.htm

Which society? I'm assuming if you asked a Hindu you'd get a different opinion.

American society. You know, the one in which this happened.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:47 am

Calisu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.


And employee does not have a religious right to draw crosses in butter on fastfood sandwiches being sold by the company to customers; or swastikas, or crescent moons, or stars of david, or anything else for that matter.
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Postby Tea Party Separation of America » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:47 am

This is one of my "What the fuck" moments. Why is this news? Just eat your sandwich. Just some bored employee messing around.
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