Woman finds a Nazi symbol in her chicken sandwich.

[Basseemia]

Every time I see this thread it keeps getting funnier.

[Eastern Equestria]

So you have nothing of substance to say then? That's what I figured.

If you had something of substance in your comments, then I would have offered more.

I'm of the opinion that despite the fact that the swastika's reputation as a whole has been tarnished and that it's use should be restricted in the mainstream, that the Hindu and Nazi interpretations are very hard to confuse. I've stated as such.

Meanwhile you only seem to be able to respond with emojis and one-liners, which leads me to believe that I've been arguing with a child.

[The Black Forrest]

If you had something of substance in your comments, then I would have offered more.

I'm of the opinion that despite the fact that the swastika's reputation as a whole has been tarnished and that it's use should be restricted in the mainstream, that the Hindu and Nazi interpretations are very hard to confuse. I've stated as such.

Meanwhile you only seem to be able to respond with emojis and one-liners, which leads me to believe that I've been arguing with a child.

You do realize your comments from that one person are based on assumptions. One of the reasons I asked questions of him which he hadn't responded. The fact the two symbols do look different doesn't mean much if you haven't seen the original before.

[Dyakovo]

And the idiot in question was fired and nothing else has come of it. Case closed.

Kid lost his job over something stupid shouldn't happen.

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

[Digital Planets]

Kid lost his job over something stupid shouldn't happen.

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Well, you see, the kid lost his job for doing something funny. That's stupid.

[Calisu]

Kid lost his job over something stupid shouldn't happen.

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

[The Sotoan Union]

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

Anti-racism policy. Again the symbol is associated with racism more than anything else.

[Calisu]

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

Anti-racism policy. Again the symbol is associated with racism more than anything else.

thousands of years of human history continuing into modern day says you're wrong.

[The Black Forrest]

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Show me the McDonalds company policy that infringes on his religious right. If he had drawn a cross he wouldn't have been fired.

You have something that shows he was practicing his Religion?

[The Sotoan Union]

Anti-racism policy. Again the symbol is associated with racism more than anything else.

thousands of years of human history continuing into modern day says you're wrong.

If people think racism when they see it because an entire industrialized nation used it to symbolize their belief in racial superiority and mass genocide, then that is because of the impact of said nation on the world. Far more than the impact of any other culture that used the symbol.

[Uelvan]

Yes, we understand original use and where it is used religiously.... granted. In the west, however, and especially in the US south, the symbol is used excessively by the KKK and other White Nationalist organizations. Unless you supply context to the use..... it can very easily convey an offense........ and drawing it in butter on a fast-food sandwich bun in North Carolina, does not convey any context.

Post wasn't meant for you move along. Also if the KKK using a symbol shows it's evil then the christian cross should be banned.

Unless you set the cross on fire, it is not a symbol for the KKK. The KKK's symbol is this anyways:

[Calisu]

thousands of years of human history continuing into modern day says you're wrong.

If people think racism when they see it because an entire industrialized nation used it to symbolize their belief in racial superiority and mass genocide, then that is because of the impact of said nation on the world. Far more than the impact of any other culture that used the symbol.

No a ruling political party used an entire industrialized nation.

Not all Germans were nazis or nazi sympathizers

[The Sotoan Union]

If people think racism when they see it because an entire industrialized nation used it to symbolize their belief in racial superiority and mass genocide, then that is because of the impact of said nation on the world. Far more than the impact of any other culture that used the symbol.

No a ruling political party used an entire industrialized nation.

Not all Germans were nazis or nazi sympathizers

They were Nazis. Not Germans. Neener neener.

Doesn't change the fact that the nation's genocide loving government used it as their symbol, which is why it is offensive.

[The Black Forrest]

Tangent question:

Did Indian Regiments use the symbol in WWII?

[Calisu]

Tangent question:

Did Indian Regiments use the symbol in WWII?

Indian or First Nations?

[The Black Forrest]

Tangent question:

Did Indian Regiments use the symbol in WWII?

Indian or First Nations?

Indian.

[Calisu]

Indian or First Nations?

Indian.

I'm assuming as they were under British control at the time they wore British uniforms like the Canadians and other commonwealth nations.

[Great Kleomentia]

No a ruling political party used an entire industrialized nation.

Not all Germans were nazis or nazi sympathizers

They were Nazis. Not Germans. Neener neener.

Doesn't change the fact that the nation's genocide loving government used it as their symbol, which is why it is offensive.

Doesn't change the fact that numerous cultures used it to spread love, unity and peace, which is why it isn't offensive.

I think we should just agree that the Swastika isn't inherently negative or positive, due to its large use among various cultures for various puproses.

[The Sotoan Union]

They were Nazis. Not Germans. Neener neener.

Doesn't change the fact that the nation's genocide loving government used it as their symbol, which is why it is offensive.

Doesn't change the fact that numerous cultures used it to spread love, unity and peace, which is why it isn't offensive.

I think we should just agree that the Swastika isn't inherently negative or positive, due to its large use among various cultures for various puproses.

Did these cultures alter world history so drastically as the Nazis did? Basically were they as important?

[Great Kleomentia]

Doesn't change the fact that numerous cultures used it to spread love, unity and peace, which is why it isn't offensive.

I think we should just agree that the Swastika isn't inherently negative or positive, due to its large use among various cultures for various puproses.

Did these cultures alter world history so drastically as the Nazis did? Basically were they as important?

Slavs regularly used the Swastika and the Kolovrat(the double swastika in my flag), do you mean to say that they aren't as important as Germans?

[Dyakovo]

You are being ignorant of the symbol's meanings.

To most people the cross represents Christianity. To most people the swastika represents Nazis. That's why the Swastika is offensive and the cross isn't.

But how "most" people interpret something dosent matter, just because the majority is ignorant does not mean that the ignorance should be excused.

You don't understand how symbols work, got it.

[The Sotoan Union]

Did these cultures alter world history so drastically as the Nazis did? Basically were they as important?

Slavs regularly used the Swastika and the Kolovrat(the double swastika in my flag), do you mean to say that they aren't as important as Germans?

Are they important enough to affect all of society's views on a symbol?

If some culture used the Swastika and affected world history right now, we would associate the Swastika with them. Until then it will always have its Nazi connotation shine through. Basically the Nazis are the most memorable users, the most influential, and the most important.

[Ifreann]

Why would I back anything up when what I am deny was not itself backed up? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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Farnhamia doesn't actually control the US education system. Though not for want of trying.

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Bullshit.

Fair enough. Especially as a Greek I think of the Svastika, and Gammadion (Greek swastika made from Gammas) as simply an ancient symbol, which looks beautiful as an artistic piece with acknowledgement of its use as a symbol of nature. I personally find it amusing that someone put BUTTER on their chicken sandwich and would give a slight chuckle from seeing something different then usual. I don't think he should be fired because he was simply expressing a little art,

What makes you think he was expressing a little art? Seems far more likely to me that he's a twat who thought that a Nazi symbol would be funny.

and he didn't commit action that causes anything more then unwarranted distress.

Causing unwarranted distress in your customers is generally bad for business.

I mean really the Hammer and Sickle is a good symbol which may have a little negativity associated with it because of the actions of some, yet you present a double standard when the exact same thing applies to the swastika?

When have I said anything about the hammer and sickle?

If we had a future dictator who used a cross to mark everything associated with him and then he killed 14 million people, would the cross become socially banned because of it?

Yes, of course. No one in their right mind would want to associated with a dictator who killed 14 million people by using the same symbol he used. It's a shame that horrible people can ruin perfectly good symbols, but that's just how it goes. You can't expect people to just forget that the Nazis used the swastika.

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I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.

Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.

That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.

Is a photo of the sun offensive as well because it was used by the Japanese military in WW2 (a very brutal military that raped and killed thousands), should we say that the sun is always an evil symbol from now on? Who decides these rules?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag

Earth's sun and the Rising Sun flag are easily distinguished by anyone not lying out their ass in a desperate attempt to excuse the use of Nazi symbolism, so no, a photo of the sun is not offensive in and of itself.

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That's weird and whacky, but it's not a reason to fire anyone.

Of course it is. You can't go about pissing off customers when you're bored and expect to keep your job.

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Symbol of Peace for thousands of years
Symbol of Hate for 3 decades


Clearly a symbol of hate.

Yes. Because how people interpret symbols is not based on who used it first, nor how long it has been used, but by what meaning is most prominent in their minds in the given context.

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Hindu car blessing ritual complete with swastika according to your last post this is entirely offensive because it doesn't confirm to the "American standard"

Someone marking a swastika on their car as part of a personal religious viewpoint or ceremony... or marking someone else car in such for the same reason of the owners beliefs.... acceptable

Someone market a symbol of such onto someone else property..... not acceptable.

Let's take a cross for example. It's a perfectly good symbol to erect..... but if I erect one in the front yard of a local african american couple and set it on fire.... it would not be an acceptable act.

I'm really not sure why this concept is difficult for some to grasp.

Concerted effort, I suspect.

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Sieg Sandwich.

All joking aside, it's a sandwich. Just because some kid got bored and drew something offensive in butter on a sandwich does not give a Casus Belli to fire said person. It's not like he laced the bun with Cyanide.

Casus Belli means "An act or event that provokes or is used to justify war". And yes, offending customers because you're bored is absolutely cause to fire an employee.

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Wait, doesn't that person have the right for symbolism?

Yes. That's why they were just fired and not arrested.

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I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.

It has been used by Nazi Germany, yes. That doesn't deny that it's main and original use was to promote peace and unity among pagan tribes.

Main use? Says who?

Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.

In no way a argument.

Are you denying that the Nazis used a swastika in their symbols and imagery? If no, then you accept that it is a Nazi symbol. Simple as that.

That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.

It has nothing to do with dibs and everything to do with lack of education and ignorance. If someone killed everyone in a hospital and held the American flag while doing so, the American flag wouldn't be banned because it "represents hatred".

No, it probably wouldn't. Of course, the swastika hasn't been banned because it "represents hated" either, so I assume you're just typing out of some manual fixation with keyboards.

You're trying to protect a concept that doesn't really hold water by using poor arguments and attempting to put yourself at higher ground, figuratively speaking.

So poor are my arguments that you're attacking things I've never said. Yeah. Cutting criticism there, mate.

[Calisu]

Slavs regularly used the Swastika and the Kolovrat(the double swastika in my flag), do you mean to say that they aren't as important as Germans?

Are they important enough to affect all of society's views on a symbol?

If some culture used the Swastika and affected world history right now, we would associate the Swastika with them. Until then it will always have its Nazi connotation shine through. Basically the Nazis are the most memorable users, the most influential, and the most important.

Maybe to you...

[Dyakovo]

You do realize your argument boils down to: "companies shouldn't be allowed to Fire employees for violating company policy", Yes?

Well, you see, the kid lost his job for doing something funny. That's stupid.

No, he lost his job for doing something that violates company policy.