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by Digital Planets » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:24 am

by The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:25 am

by The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:27 am
The Sotoan Union wrote:Calisu wrote:Not how onus works and I could show 100 examples and you'd still claim it wasn't "regularly".
If I showed you a hammer and sickle would you think of farmers and workers, or would you think of Russia?
The swastika has racist connotations more than anything else, and its ignorant to say that its religious connotations are equal to its racist connotations.

by Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:27 am
The Sotoan Union wrote:Calisu wrote:Not how onus works and I could show 100 examples and you'd still claim it wasn't "regularly".
If I showed you a hammer and sickle would you think of farmers and workers, or would you think of Russia?
The swastika has racist connotations more than anything else, and its ignorant to say that its religious connotations are equal to its racist connotations.

by The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:28 am
Calisu wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:If I showed you a hammer and sickle would you think of farmers and workers, or would you think of Russia?
The swastika has racist connotations more than anything else, and its ignorant to say that its religious connotations are equal to its racist connotations.
Of course the religious connotations aren't equal to the racist connotations that would be like banning the cross because the KKK uses it against minorities, now that would be ridiculous wouldn't it?

by The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:28 am

by Eastern Equestria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:44 am

by The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:47 am


by Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:49 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Calisu wrote:Not how onus works and I could show 100 examples and you'd still claim it wasn't "regularly".
Source requests are for dubious claims. Such as it's never been used in the US except for the Nazi symbol.
Relatively unknown is valid. You will find instances such as the mentioned Apache belt but widely used let alone known? Not really.
It may change in time.....

by Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:49 am
The Land of Truth wrote:Calisu wrote:Maybe the public at large should have a better education system as it's a fairly well known fact.
As I said, I'm going to keep linking this until you understand what it means.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Atelia wrote:Alright, so let's say nothing ought to be like any pre conceived notion or ideal, and that a sense of justice shouldn't be used simply because in truth how things work out is rather erratic, in that case why should we bother to argue the subject? There clearly is no reason for order and we are just slaves forced to carry the burden of the decisions of a tyranny by majority and because we don't abide by the decisions not determined in any way by something with our beliefs influence we should lose our jobs and gain an unfair association. So if that is the case then throw out any notion of argument or speaking out, because clearly the representatives of the peoples opinion can't be beat because they represent the opinion of the majority.
And yes I made a straw man big whoop, focus on the big picture.
What the fuck are you talking about? (Seriously, that just looks like a giant wall of ramble.)
Oh, look at that, you admit it.

by Digital Planets » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:50 am

by Eastern Equestria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:51 am

by Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:52 am
Calisu wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Source requests are for dubious claims. Such as it's never been used in the US except for the Nazi symbol.
Relatively unknown is valid. You will find instances such as the mentioned Apache belt but widely used let alone known? Not really.
It may change in time.....
The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

by Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:54 am
Tekania wrote:
Yes, we understand original use and where it is used religiously.... granted. In the west, however, and especially in the US south, the symbol is used excessively by the KKK and other White Nationalist organizations. Unless you supply context to the use..... it can very easily convey an offense........ and drawing it in butter on a fast-food sandwich bun in North Carolina, does not convey any context.

by Davinhia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:55 am

by Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:57 am
The Land of Truth wrote:Calisu wrote:Of course the religious connotations aren't equal to the racist connotations that would be like banning the cross because the KKK uses it against minorities, now that would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
Except most Americans don't recognize it as solely a symbol of the KKK. So there's no reason anyone would do that.

by The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:57 am

by The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:57 am
Calisu wrote:Tekania wrote:
Yes, we understand original use and where it is used religiously.... granted. In the west, however, and especially in the US south, the symbol is used excessively by the KKK and other White Nationalist organizations. Unless you supply context to the use..... it can very easily convey an offense........ and drawing it in butter on a fast-food sandwich bun in North Carolina, does not convey any context.
Post wasn't meant for you move along. Also if the KKK using a symbol shows it's evil then the christian cross should be banned.

by Great Kleomentia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:58 am
Ifreann wrote:Great Kleomentia wrote:I just love how very well you attempt to back up your argument.
I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.
Your acting fairly ignorant at this point. Since the Swastika and Kolovrat(double swastika) are part of Slavic culture, i would personally feel somewhat offended by someone calling it a Nazi symbol.
Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.
German culture has actually the least to do with the Swastika, hence the Swastika is a Nazi symbol last and a symbol of peace and unity first.
That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.

by Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:00 am
The Sotoan Union wrote:Calisu wrote:Post wasn't meant for you move along. Also if the KKK using a symbol shows it's evil then the christian cross should be banned.
You are being ignorant of the symbol's meanings.
To most people the cross represents Christianity. To most people the swastika represents Nazis. That's why the Swastika is offensive and the cross isn't.

by Eastern Equestria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:00 am

by Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:00 am
Calisu wrote:Tekania wrote:
Yes, we understand original use and where it is used religiously.... granted. In the west, however, and especially in the US south, the symbol is used excessively by the KKK and other White Nationalist organizations. Unless you supply context to the use..... it can very easily convey an offense........ and drawing it in butter on a fast-food sandwich bun in North Carolina, does not convey any context.
Post wasn't meant for you move along. Also if the KKK using a symbol shows it's evil then the christian cross should be banned.

by The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:00 am
Calisu wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Source requests are for dubious claims. Such as it's never been used in the US except for the Nazi symbol.
Relatively unknown is valid. You will find instances such as the mentioned Apache belt but widely used let alone known? Not really.
It may change in time.....
The Original Meaning
The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.
Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.
Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

by The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:01 am

by The Sotoan Union » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:02 am
Atelia wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:You are being ignorant of the symbol's meanings.
To most people the cross represents Christianity. To most people the swastika represents Nazis. That's why the Swastika is offensive and the cross isn't.
But how "most" people interpret something dosent matter, just because the majority is ignorant does not mean that the ignorance should be excused.
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