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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:05 am

Calisu wrote:
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The question was too you. As mentioned; I don't see it.....

Anecdotal


Ok Anecdotal claim with an anecdotal counter argument.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:06 am

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Which fits perfectly with what he said.

How? There is only one swastika there are two crosses in that post.

Except, there isn't.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:06 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Calisu wrote:How? There is only one swastika there are two crosses in that post.

Except, there isn't.

Oh look there is a jewish swastika you just proved that it's not an anti-jewish symbol!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:06 am

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Interesting. Where do you live? And how is it displayed? Could be I missed it.

Frankly, it doesn't matter, because it's an anecdote that has nothing to do with public consciousness at-large.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:07 am

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The Land of Truth wrote:Except, there isn't.

Oh look there is a jewish swastika you just proved that it's not an anti-jewish symbol!


Oh. Just arguing for the sake of arguing eh?
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:08 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Calisu wrote:Oh look there is a jewish swastika you just proved that it's not an anti-jewish symbol!


Oh. Just arguing for the sake of arguing eh?

How is defending a religious symbol against ignorance "arguing for the sake of arguing"

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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:10 am

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Which fits perfectly with what he said.

How? There is only one swastika there are two crosses in that post.


So you are saying the Nazi Swastika represent the same thing as your own?

Of course it does not. I'm not claiming it does. The point is they are in fact separate symbols.... and without individual context a swastika can be interpreted as offensive because of the negative baggage that was attached to it, especially here in the west, due to Nazism.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:10 am

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Oh. Just arguing for the sake of arguing eh?

How is defending a religious symbol against ignorance "arguing for the sake of arguing"

Because you're deliberately being obtuse. Yes, there's a Jewish Swastika. Guess what? The public at-large neither knows nor gives a shit.

(And, yes, I know I've linked this already. I'm going to continue linking it until you understand what the hell it means.)
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:11 am

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What did the Nazis do to Americans other than killing thousands of US soldiers (which the Japanese military did as well). Are you thinking from a global point of view or an American point of view?

1) You dislike the swastika because the Nazis used it as their symbol and the Nazis killed millions of non-American Jews and this should be a concern in the USA.
2) You think the rising sun symbol is OK because relatively few Americans were killed by the Japanese army during WW2. The fact they killed many thousands of people without justification in Asia is not something worth considering in the USA.

Are you implying the lives of European Jews, communists, and gypsies were more valuable than the lives of Korean and Chinese citizens? You should hate both symbols equally and want to fire anybody who dares to use either of these symbols on a sandwich bun that few people would even notice.


You mean, other than the fact that the US has one of the highest Jewish populations in the world? That might have something to do with it... (Just sayin')

1) You are aware that the Nazis didn't kill just Jews, right? And that, as I've pointed out, the US has one of the world's highest Jewish populations?
2) Please, quote me where I said any of this.

Quit building straw-men.


1) I added communists and gypsies in my last post-I know the Nazis killed non-Jews. How many Jews are in North Carolina? Their percentage of the North Carolina population is tiny.

2) "Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not." This implies that the rising sun is OK to use as a symbol in the USA because the Japanese didn't do much damage to the USA (although they killed thousands of Americans in WW2).
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:12 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Calisu wrote:How is defending a religious symbol against ignorance "arguing for the sake of arguing"

Because you're deliberately being obtuse. Yes, there's a Jewish Swastika. Guess what? The public at-large neither knows nor gives a shit.

(And, yes, I know I've linked this already. I'm going to continue linking it until you understand what the hell it means.)

Maybe the public at large should have a better education system as it's a fairly well known fact.

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Postby Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:13 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Atelia wrote:So, no word about the fact that I wrote a response and you decided to try to change the subject?

That's what I thought. (Don't use logical fallacies if you're not willing to own up to them when called.)

As to your response:

1) Well, isn't that sweet of you.
2) Speak for yourself.

Alright, so let's say nothing ought to be like any pre conceived notion or ideal, and that a sense of justice shouldn't be used simply because in truth how things work out is rather erratic, in that case why should we bother to argue the subject? There clearly is no reason for order and we are just slaves forced to carry the burden of the decisions of a tyranny by majority and because we don't abide by the decisions not determined in any way by something with our beliefs influence we should lose our jobs and gain an unfair association. So if that is the case then throw out any notion of argument or speaking out, because clearly the representatives of the peoples opinion can't be beat because they represent the opinion of the majority.

And yes I made a straw man big whoop, focus on the big picture.
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Postby The Neo-Confederate States of America » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:13 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:So a woman found a swastika in her McDonald's chicken sandwich written in butter.

What say you NSG? Is it freedom of expression? Did the employee deserve to be fired? Should employees be held to a higher standard of professionalism? Is the quality control of fast food restaurants slipping?

Personally I think this was too far. This day in age employees should be more professional. There are plenty of people who would happily take his job.

That's a bit wierd, I'd've hated to be the person who got that sandwich. That employee might start a "Keep White Bread White!" Campaign.
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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:13 am

Sieg Sandwich.

All joking aside, it's a sandwich. Just because some kid got bored and drew something offensive in butter on a sandwich does not give a Casus Belli to fire said person. It's not like he laced the bun with Cyanide.
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Postby Uelvan » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:14 am

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Sieg Sandwich.

All joking aside, it's a sandwich. Just because some kid got bored and drew something offensive in butter on a sandwich does not give a Casus Belli to fire said person. It's not like he laced the bun with Cyanide.


The first thing McDonald's does when they hire you is go over their policies. What he did was vastly against McDonald's policies.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:15 am

Royal Hindustan wrote:I am a Hindu in America and yes we do use the Swastik symbol because it is a religious. Qwe lie n a predominantly white neighbourhood. You know why we don't have problems, cause the people around us aren't ignorant bastards.


The reason you don't have any problems is because this is clearly not the same thing as this.

By the way, I'm sure that idiot employee was evoking the ancient significance of that symbol when he drew a swastika in that customer's sandwich out of boredom. *facepalm*

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:16 am

Calisu wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Because you're deliberately being obtuse. Yes, there's a Jewish Swastika. Guess what? The public at-large neither knows nor gives a shit.

(And, yes, I know I've linked this already. I'm going to continue linking it until you understand what the hell it means.)

Maybe the public at large should have a better education system as it's a fairly well known fact.


Maybe in another continent.

Again:

Relatively unknown symbol for four hundred years.
Known symbol for seven decades.

Understand why people don't like it?
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:16 am

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You mean, other than the fact that the US has one of the highest Jewish populations in the world? That might have something to do with it... (Just sayin')

1) You are aware that the Nazis didn't kill just Jews, right? And that, as I've pointed out, the US has one of the world's highest Jewish populations?
2) Please, quote me where I said any of this.

Quit building straw-men.


1) I added communists and gypsies in my last post-I know the Nazis killed non-Jews. How many Jews are in North Carolina? Their percentage of the North Carolina population is tiny.

2) "Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not." This implies that the rising sun is OK to use as a symbol in the USA because the Japanese didn't do much damage to the USA (although they killed thousands of Americans in WW2).


1) Okay. So what? Unless you're arguing that only Jews are aloud to be upset at the slaughter of Jews, North Carolina's Jewish population is irrelevant.

2) And you don't seem to understand the concept of collective consciousness. I'm not arguing based on my own beliefs because those are irrelevant. What matters--in this context--is what society at-large deems as offensive. The vast majority of Americans (and I'm using Americans because this incident took place in the US) find the Swastika (or at least the Swastika as the Nazis drew it) to be incredibly offensive. Whereas, most wouldn't recognize the Rising Sun Flag as such because they simply wouldn't recognize the flag's meaning. The fact that you don't agree with it doesn't make it less true.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:16 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Calisu wrote:Maybe the public at large should have a better education system as it's a fairly well known fact.


Maybe in another continent.

Again:

Relatively unknown symbol for four hundred years.
Known symbol for seven decades.

Understand why people don't like it?

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Postby Tekania » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:17 am

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Sieg Sandwich.

All joking aside, it's a sandwich. Just because some kid got bored and drew something offensive in butter on a sandwich does not give a Casus Belli to fire said person. It's not like he laced the bun with Cyanide.


One does not need even a casus belli to fire someone.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:17 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:I am a Hindu in America and yes we do use the Swastik symbol because it is a religious. Qwe lie n a predominantly white neighbourhood. You know why we don't have problems, cause the people around us aren't ignorant bastards.


The reason you don't have any problems is because this is clearly not the same thing as this.

By the way, I'm sure that idiot employee was evoking the ancient significance of that symbol when he drew a swastika in that customer's sandwich out of boredom. *facepalm*


It could also be the people in his area prepared the people for it.....
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:19 am

Calisu wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Because you're deliberately being obtuse. Yes, there's a Jewish Swastika. Guess what? The public at-large neither knows nor gives a shit.

(And, yes, I know I've linked this already. I'm going to continue linking it until you understand what the hell it means.)

Maybe the public at large should have a better education system as it's a fairly well known fact.

As I said, I'm going to keep linking this until you understand what it means.
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And yes I made a straw man big whoop, focus on the big picture.


What the fuck are you talking about? (Seriously, that just looks like a giant wall of ramble.)

Oh, look at that, you admit it. :clap:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:19 am

Calisu wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Maybe in another continent.

Again:

Relatively unknown symbol for four hundred years.
Known symbol for seven decades.

Understand why people don't like it?

Source


:D I would be happy to retract if you can show US history sporting it regularly.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:21 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Calisu wrote:Source


:D I would be happy to retract if you can show US history sporting it regularly.

Why, here it is in the 1930s!
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:22 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Calisu wrote:Source


:D I would be happy to retract if you can show US history sporting it regularly.

Not how onus works and I could show 100 examples and you'd still claim it wasn't "regularly".

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:24 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
:D I would be happy to retract if you can show US history sporting it regularly.

Why, here it is in the 1930s!


:)

I did find one instance of the Asian version on a Apache belt from the mid 1800s. Saw it in a museum. Didn't know they had the symbol.....
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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