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Postby Abserdia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:10 am

Is there a mod here? we should close this, too many trolls.
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Postby Qeno » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:10 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:So a woman found a swastika in her McDonald's chicken sandwich written in butter.

What say you NSG? Is it freedom of expression? Did the employee deserve to be fired? Should employees be held to a higher standard of professionalism? Is the quality control of fast food restaurants slipping?

Personally I think this was too far. This day in age employees should be more professional. There are plenty of people who would happily take his job.



Order now and you get Mein Kampf written in mustard on the bottom of the top bun~

Now I don't know if it was a practical joke, or a way to provide adequate amounts of butter, or a czech symbol of peace but I do know that she ordered something to eat and something like that should not have been seen. (Unless your the type of person who sifts through every single ingredient to look for something to complain about)
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Not true, it is still common to see on Asian temples.

Asian temples like a McDonalds in North Carolina.


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This is in North Carolina not New York. Not many Jews in North Carolina. The woman was Christian but she still felt offended.

Sue for what? It is freedom of speech and not a health hazard. She could sue if the swastika was made of fecal matter.

Sue over the hostile work environment. Free speech protects you from government action, not from being fired.


It is fine legally if the employee was fired. I said before that employees should e allowed to be fired for anything as stupid as supporting the wrong baseball team or looking too ugly. The boss is harsh but it is his business and he has the right to fire an employee for any reason.

He should not get sued though-nobody was hurt.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:12 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:13 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Asian temples like a McDonalds in North Carolina.



Sue over the hostile work environment. Free speech protects you from government action, not from being fired.


It is fine legally if the employee was fired. I said before that employees should e allowed to be fired for anything as stupid as supporting the wrong baseball team or looking too ugly. The boss is harsh but it is his business and he has the right to fire an employee for any reason.

He should not get sued though-nobody was hurt.


In before there are claims that butter gives her PTSD flashbacks with horror movie montage clips of butter-swastikas set to the the screams of burning jews.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:17 am

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, but I bet they have a "No pissing off the customers" policy.

Yes it does, and these attempts to deny that are just pathetic.

I just love how very well you attempt to back up your argument.

I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.
Your acting fairly ignorant at this point. Since the Swastika and Kolovrat(double swastika) are part of Slavic culture, i would personally feel somewhat offended by someone calling it a Nazi symbol.

Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.
German culture has actually the least to do with the Swastika, hence the Swastika is a Nazi symbol last and a symbol of peace and unity first.

That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.

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Postby Ulil » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:21 am

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:21 am

Atelia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm afraid I can't recommend you pursue a career in acting if this attempt to seem ignorant is representative of your talents.



I'm well aware that it has been used by various other people before the Nazis. None the less it is a Nazis symbol, because they Nazis used it, and everyone knows the Nazis used it.

So? It's use by the Nazis should not suddenly mean it can't be used for ever after. If people want to hang onto to the past then that should not be everyone's burden.

Of course it can be used. But if you do use it, people will associate it, and you, with the Nazis. And the Nazis aren't people one wants to be associated with if one is concerned with one's public image.


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The Sotoan Union wrote:So a woman found a swastika in her McDonald's chicken sandwich written in butter.

What say you NSG? Is it freedom of expression? Did the employee deserve to be fired? Should employees be held to a higher standard of professionalism? Is the quality control of fast food restaurants slipping?

Personally I think this was too far. This day in age employees should be more professional. There are plenty of people who would happily take his job.



Order now and you get Mein Kampf written in mustard on the bottom of the top bun~

Now I don't know if it was a practical joke, or a way to provide adequate amounts of butter, or a czech symbol of peace but I do know that she ordered something to eat and something like that should not have been seen. (Unless your the type of person who sifts through every single ingredient to look for something to complain about)

What exactly is wrong with checking whether you got what you ordered?


Freiheit Reich wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Asian temples like a McDonalds in North Carolina.



Sue over the hostile work environment. Free speech protects you from government action, not from being fired.


It is fine legally if the employee was fired. I said before that employees should e allowed to be fired for anything as stupid as supporting the wrong baseball team or looking too ugly. The boss is harsh but it is his business and he has the right to fire an employee for any reason.

He should not get sued though-nobody was hurt.

Who's suing anyone?

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Postby Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:28 am

Ifreann wrote:
Atelia wrote:No it isn't.
Yes it was.
No it isn't.
See how easy it is to counter an argument without backing it up? Your opinion is just that, don't make it out to be "The Only Truth".

Why would I back anything up when what I am deny was not itself backed up? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


Calisu wrote:Maybe you should improve the education in your country so that the world can stop hanging onto the horribleness of WWII?

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Great Kleomentia wrote:The first thing i think of when i see a swastika is Pan-Slavism, actually.

Bullshit.

Fair enough. Especially as a Greek I think of the Svastika, and Gammadion (Greek swastika made from Gammas) as simply an ancient symbol, which looks beautiful as an artistic piece with acknowledgement of its use as a symbol of nature. I personally find it amusing that someone put BUTTER on their chicken sandwich and would give a slight chuckle from seeing something different then usual. I don't think he should be fired because he was simply expressing a little art, and he didn't commit action that causes anything more then unwarranted distress. I mean really the Hammer and Sickle is a good symbol which may have a little negativity associated with it because of the actions of some, yet you present a double standard when the exact same thing applies to the swastika? If we had a future dictator who used a cross to mark everything associated with him and then he killed 14 million people, would the cross become socially banned because of it?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I just love how very well you attempt to back up your argument.

I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.
Your acting fairly ignorant at this point. Since the Swastika and Kolovrat(double swastika) are part of Slavic culture, i would personally feel somewhat offended by someone calling it a Nazi symbol.

Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.
German culture has actually the least to do with the Swastika, hence the Swastika is a Nazi symbol last and a symbol of peace and unity first.

That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.


Is a photo of the sun offensive as well because it was used by the Japanese military in WW2 (a very brutal military that raped and killed thousands), should we say that the sun is always an evil symbol from now on? Who decides these rules?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag

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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:36 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I refuse to back up my assertion that the Swastika is a Nazi symbol because that is so well known a fact that someone denying it can only be engaging in wilful ignorance of the very worst kind, and I have no interest in entertaining such nonsense.

Welcome to the world after WWII. It's a Nazi symbol.

That's not really how symbols work. Cultures don't get to own them and have dibs on how they're interpreted.


(1)Is a photo of the sun offensive as well because it was used by the Japanese military in WW2 (a very brutal military that raped and killed thousands), (2)should we say that the sun is always an evil symbol from now on? (3)Who decides these rules?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag

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1) Because that's not how symbols work? Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not.

2) No, because that's asinine and you know it.

3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:38 am

The Land of Truth wrote:3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Pretty sure there is more than just your culture and society.

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Postby Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:40 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
(1)Is a photo of the sun offensive as well because it was used by the Japanese military in WW2 (a very brutal military that raped and killed thousands), (2)should we say that the sun is always an evil symbol from now on? (3)Who decides these rules?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag

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1) Because that's not how symbols work? Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not.

2) No, because that's asinine and you know it.

3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

So from what you said your saying that if it dosent affect the Americans then it isn't important? That your the ones who make the decisions for the global society? Well then your clearly not an arrogant America-Centrist.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:40 am

Calisu wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Pretty sure there is more than just your culture and society.

No shit. Would you like to write out that list? Because I'm sure as hell not going to.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:42 am

Atelia wrote:
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1) Because that's not how symbols work? Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not.

2) No, because that's asinine and you know it.

3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

So from what you said your saying that if it dosent affect the Americans then it isn't important? That your the ones who make the decisions for the global society? Well then your clearly not an arrogant America-Centrist.


So, you're saying that you think we should be able to use the Swastika because Jews are filthy rats and deserve to die?

See? I can build straw-men, too.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:42 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Calisu wrote:Pretty sure there is more than just your culture and society.

No shit. Would you like to write out that list? Because I'm sure as hell not going to.

Hindu car blessing ritual complete with swastika according to your last post this is entirely offensive because it doesn't confirm to the "American standard"

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:43 am

That's weird and whacky, but it's not a reason to fire anyone.

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Calisu wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:No shit. Would you like to write out that list? Because I'm sure as hell not going to.

Hindu car blessing ritual complete with swastika according to your last post this is entirely offensive because it doesn't confirm to the "American standard"

Oh yeah? When did I say this? Quote me.
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The Grey Wolf wrote:That's weird and whacky, but it's not a reason to fire anyone.

And that's not your decision.
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Postby Calisu » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:44 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Calisu wrote:Hindu car blessing ritual complete with swastika according to your last post this is entirely offensive because it doesn't confirm to the "American standard"

Oh yeah? When did I say this? Quote me.

Replace rising sun flag with swastika
The Land of Truth wrote:
1) Because that's not how symbols work? Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not.

2) No, because that's asinine and you know it.

3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:45 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:That's weird and whacky, but it's not a reason to fire anyone.

And that's not your decision.


That's not my decision, that's my opinion.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:47 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:That's weird and whacky, but it's not a reason to fire anyone.


The manager thought otherwise. If he was dumb enough to do that, he probably had a list of other infractions and this was probably the "final straw"
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:49 am

Calisu wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Oh yeah? When did I say this? Quote me.

Replace rising sun flag with swastika
The Land of Truth wrote:
1) Because that's not how symbols work? Considering the worst the Japanese did to the US was a surprise attack that didn't even do the level of damage it was supposed to, most Americans don't even recognize the Rising Sun Flag. I mean, you might have a point if this were China or Korea or somewhere along those lines, but it's not.

2) No, because that's asinine and you know it.

3) Our culture and society. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.


Okay, so, basically, you want me to render the statement a lie? Because, most Americans do recognize the Swastika, and 99% of the time they'll recognize it as a symbol of the Nazis.

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The Land of Truth wrote:And that's not your decision.


That's not my decision, that's my opinion.

And that's my opinion on your opinion.
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Postby Atelia » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:49 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Atelia wrote:So from what you said your saying that if it dosent affect the Americans then it isn't important? That your the ones who make the decisions for the global society? Well then your clearly not an arrogant America-Centrist.


So, you're saying that you think we should be able to use the Swastika because Jews are filthy rats and deserve to die?

See? I can build straw-men, too.

How cute.

No i say that we should be able to use the swastika because of its countless use outside of one situation and the ridiculousness of the amounts of social stigma it gets despite having a double standard about other symbols, and trying to constantly hang onto the past for no reason. The Fire arm has killed countless people, same with the sword, but we don't consider them evil things that are only to be associated with blood thirsty people with no respect for life.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:50 am

I don't have any problem with firing someone for potentially losing customers for a business by pulling a stunt like that.
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