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Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

All it does is make people like you happy, because you believe in the terrible misconception that hard punishments lead to less crime (they don't).

People aren't scared into not doing something. Instead, you should help those who have gone over the line through rehabilitation.

Herrebrugh wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

All it does is make people like you happy, because you believe in the terrible misconception that hard punishments lead to less crime (they don't).

People aren't scared into not doing something. Instead, you should help those who have gone over the line through rehabilitation.

rehabilitation is contrary to the principles of justice (you do the crime, you should be forced to pay the full price, not be allowed to go scot free if you repent).

Hard punishments lead to longer periods of time in which dangerous individuals are kept away from society. Also, it scares at least a few people away from a life of crime. That's why I support them.

The New Sea Territory wrote:

New Cyyro wrote:Good thing rape in American prisons isn't even that widespread.

It's more widespread than rape outside prison.

Source?

Herrebrugh wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

All it does is make people like you happy, because you believe in the terrible misconception that hard punishments lead to less crime (they don't).

People aren't scared into not doing something. Instead, you should help those who have gone over the line through rehabilitation.

the people that would be scared away from doing the crime are the ones who don't need rehabilitation. The ones it doesn't scare away, are the ones it is very hard or impossible to rehabilitate

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

Good to know. Now, people of NSG, disregard opinions by this nation.

You can't be serious. It is disgusting and savage.

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

Are you joking???

How is that supposed to help the prisoners get re-acquainted with normal society afterwards? It screams high recidivism rates. Also, 'traumatizing' people is cruel.

Othelos wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

Are you joking???

How is that supposed to help the prisoners get re-acquainted with normal society afterwards? It screams high recidivism rates. Also, 'traumatizing' people is cruel.

So is murdering and stealing from others. The criminals should be punished

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Herrebrugh wrote:
All it does is make people like you happy, because you believe in the terrible misconception that hard punishments lead to less crime (they don't).

People aren't scared into not doing something. Instead, you should help those who have gone over the line through rehabilitation.

rehabilitation is contrary to the principles of justice (you do the crime, you should be forced to pay the full price, not be allowed to go scot free if you repent).

Hard punishments lead to longer periods of time in which dangerous individuals are kept away from society. Also, it scares at least a few people away from a life of crime. That's why I support them.

Do you want people to continue committing crimes afterwards? Sometimes, a time-out from society isn't enough, and it helps everyone if the issues that caused the person to commit the crimes can be addressed.

Prezelly wrote:

Othelos wrote:Are you joking???

How is that supposed to help the prisoners get re-acquainted with normal society afterwards? It screams high recidivism rates. Also, 'traumatizing' people is cruel.

So is murdering and stealing from others. The criminals should be punished

They are. 'Traumatizing' them is totally unnecessary.

Othelos wrote:

Prezelly wrote:So is murdering and stealing from others. The criminals should be punished

They are. 'Traumatizing' them is totally unnecessary.

Some people get traumatized just by the thought of going to jail. How do you develop a system to work for every case?

Othelos wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

Are you joking???

How is that supposed to help the prisoners get re-acquainted with normal society afterwards? It screams high recidivism rates. Also, 'traumatizing' people is cruel.

they wouldn't want to return to the prisons because they know bad it is. You can be sure they'll at least try to adjust.

Some of them will still break the law but at least prisons keep them away from the innocent.

Also, there may be a recidivism rate but you're ignoring the fact that without prisons, the rate would only be zero but only because we're not locking criminals or punishing them at all. There would be no recividism because they've just never stopped...

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

How barbaric and savage.

The Orson Empire wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.

How barbaric and savage.

making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Othelos wrote:Are you joking???

How is that supposed to help the prisoners get re-acquainted with normal society afterwards? It screams high recidivism rates. Also, 'traumatizing' people is cruel.

they wouldn't want to return to the prisons because they know bad it is. You can be sure they'll at least try to adjust.

The same can be said for the current system. I fail to see how 'traumatizing' anyone is necessary.

Infected Mushroom wrote:Some of them will still break the law but at least prisons keep them away from the innocent.

Also, there may be a recidivism rate but you're ignoring the fact that without prisons, the rate would only be zero but only because we're not locking criminals or punishing them at all. There would be no recividism because they've just never stopped...

When did I advocate for there to be no prisons?

Othelos wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
they wouldn't want to return to the prisons because they know bad it is. You can be sure they'll at least try to adjust.

The same can be said for the current system. I fail to see how 'traumatizing' anyone is necessary.

Infected Mushroom wrote:Some of them will still break the law but at least prisons keep them away from the innocent.

Also, there may be a recidivism rate but you're ignoring the fact that without prisons, the rate would only be zero but only because we're not locking criminals or punishing them at all. There would be no recividism because they've just never stopped...

When did I advocate for there to be no prisons?

since prisons are necessary, we might as well maximize potential deterrence by making the horrible prison consequences known to people who may potentially turn criminal in the future. Its part of education...

by the way, the OP title is biased.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Orson Empire wrote:How barbaric and savage.

making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

But why stop at 'traumatizing' people? Why not just execute all criminals? That would stop crime in its tracks, according to your reasoning.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Orson Empire wrote:How barbaric and savage.

making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

It doesn't work, though. "Traumatizing" people to make them not commit a crime is horrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting such a thing.

Othelos wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

But why stop at 'traumatizing' people? Why not just execute all criminals? That would stop crime in its tracks, according to your reasoning.

i don't think showing kids how bad prison is will traumatize them. I think the OP's title is just loaded.

It's not saying ''Hey Kid... you're gonna go there. It's instead saying... don't be bad. IF you are bad (and you won't be), you could end up there.''

kids aren't thrown into the prison, not unless they do something bad. we are just giving some people a tour

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Othelos wrote:The same can be said for the current system. I fail to see how 'traumatizing' anyone is necessary.


When did I advocate for there to be no prisons?

since prisons are necessary, we might as well maximize potential deterrence by making the horrible prison consequences known to people who may potentially turn criminal in the future. Its part of education...

Explain the way you think that prisoners should be traumatized.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Othelos wrote:But why stop at 'traumatizing' people? Why not just execute all criminals? That would stop crime in its tracks, according to your reasoning.

i don't think showing kids how bad prison is will traumatize them. I think the OP's title is just loaded.

It's not saying ''Hey Kid... you're gonna go there. It's instead saying... don't be bad. IF you are bad (and you won't be), you could end up there.''

kids aren't thrown into the prison, not unless they do something bad. we are just giving some people a tour

The thread is about prisoners, not kids.

They should be traumatized.

Prisoners are still people, and they have rights.

The Orson Empire wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

It doesn't work, though. "Traumatizing" people to make them not commit a crime is horrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting such a thing.

That is your opinion. I think deterring crime with consequences like trauma is very effective and not horrible at all

The Orson Empire wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
making people aware of the potential consequences of bad actions so that they stay away from said bad actions is reasonable.

If students don't know what a ''detention'' or a ''suspension'' is, then they're not going to be scared by them at all. Not everyone has to experience it to stop. Its best if some can be motivated from bad behavior from the very start.

It doesn't work, though. "Traumatizing" people to make them not commit a crime is horrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting such a thing.

giving people a tour of a prison to show them how we punish criminals is not the same thing as locking them away preemtively.

Prezelly wrote:

The Orson Empire wrote:It doesn't work, though. "Traumatizing" people to make them not commit a crime is horrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting such a thing.

That is your opinion. I think deterring crime with consequences like trauma is very effective and not horrible at all

so no prisons then?

let the criminals do what they want?