Should prisoners be traumatized?

[Scomagia]

Fixed.

yes well willy-nilly is far more fun to say

Willy-nilly. Hey, you're right!

[Scomagia]

Sources for all of that, please.

I have seen numerous interviews with guards and prisoners. It happens but it's not common. The idea that it is encouraged is made up. Really the media portrays it inaccurately, to the point where people think it is inevitable. An everyday experience in prison life. That is wrong.

A study reported a prevalence rate of 1.91% with a 95% confidence interval between 1.37–2.46%. Abuse by guards is more common, but that is not what this OP is about. It could potentially by higher, but I wouldn't say higher than 5%. It also depends on the type of prison.

It certainly is not encouraged.

Interesting. Thanks for edumacating me.

[Cuprum]

Isn't trauma supposed to make a person MORE likely to commit crimes and generally make their life harder?

That's what Psycho-Pass has taught me.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THAT!

[The Sotoan Union]

I have seen numerous interviews with guards and prisoners. It happens but it's not common. The idea that it is encouraged is made up. Really the media portrays it inaccurately, to the point where people think it is inevitable. An everyday experience in prison life. That is wrong.

A study reported a prevalence rate of 1.91% with a 95% confidence interval between 1.37–2.46%. Abuse by guards is more common, but that is not what this OP is about. It could potentially by higher, but I wouldn't say higher than 5%. It also depends on the type of prison.

It certainly is not encouraged.

Interesting. Thanks for edumacating me.

The thing about homophobic prisoners came from an interview with a prisoner. I can't source that sadly.

[Scomagia]

Interesting. Thanks for edumacating me.

The thing about homophobic prisoners came from an interview with a prisoner. I can't source that sadly.

That one seems like it would be difficult to prove either way, so it's whatever.

[Herrebrugh]

What is it with you and your fixation on trying to incorporate the second world war in everything?

Concentration Camps aren't inherently WW2-ish.

They are when he talks about it. It's completely pointless to bring them up, in any case.

What is it with you and your fixation on trying to incorporate the second world war in everything?

I am a history buff.

I am too. I don't bring up the Dutch revolt in every thread I post in.

[Scomagia]

Concentration Camps aren't inherently WW2-ish.

They are when he talks about it. It's completely pointless to bring them up, in any case.

I am a history buff.

I am too. I don't bring up the Dutch revolt in every thread I post in.

I'd like to see you try that, though.

[Herrebrugh]

They are when he talks about it. It's completely pointless to bring them up, in any case.



I am too. I don't bring up the Dutch revolt in every thread I post in.

I'd like to see you try that, though.

This is completely like the time Balthasar Gerards, the murderer of the Vader des Vaderlands Willem van Oranje, was on trial. He was tortured, and later, I quote:

"...hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gérard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gérard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gérard was executed."

Sounds traumatising to me.

[Intelectual Atheists]

Sure" Let's also brand their palms while we're at it! Nobody will complain at all!

[Pandeeria]

I'd like to see you try that, though.

This is completely like the time Balthasar Gerards, the murderer of the Vader des Vaderlands Willem van Oranje, was on trial. He was tortured, and later, I quote:

"...hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gérard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gérard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gérard was executed."

Sounds traumatising to me.

What a disgusting why to die. Especially the nails.

[Herrebrugh]

This is completely like the time Balthasar Gerards, the murderer of the Vader des Vaderlands Willem van Oranje, was on trial. He was tortured, and later, I quote:

"...hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gérard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gérard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gérard was executed."

Sounds traumatising to me.

What a disgusting why to die. Especially the nails.

Sixteenth century. The "revenge" aspect was a little more important back then, clearly...

[Pope Joan]

America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.

Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.

Because it feels good.

There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.

[Prezelly]

America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.

Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.

Because it feels good.

There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.

I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.

[The Orson Empire]

America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.

Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.

Because it feels good.

There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.

I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.

The only problem is that it doesn't work. It doesn't deter crime. America still has the highest number of prisoners in the world, and contains 25% of the world's prison population.

[Prezelly]

I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.

The only problem is that it doesn't work. It doesn't deter crime. America still has the highest number of prisoners in the world, and contains 25% of the world's prison population.

Americans are stubborn

[New Cyyro]

Good thing rape in American prisons isn't even that widespread.

[Pope Joan]

America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.

Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.

Because it feels good.

There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.

I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.

There is no clear equation. "The prospect of longer prison sentences does not deter young Floridians from committing crimes"

http://economistsview.typepad.com/econo ... hment.html

[Bottle]

Prisons provide a useful captive labor market that can be exploited to produce goods at reduced cost.

Prisons also provide a means of manipulating census results to give disproportionate influence to rural areas when it comes to voting and representation in government.

It is therefore profitable to ensure a thriving prison population.

As trauma increases the odds of poverty and criminal behavior, it is also therefore profitable to ensure that prisoners are traumatized, in order to increase the odds that they will exhibit dangerous behavior that delays their release and that they will engage in future criminal behavior if released (so we can send them back to prison).

[Pope Joan]

Prisons provide a useful captive labor market that can be exploited to produce goods at reduced cost.

Prisons also provide a means of manipulating census results to give disproportionate influence to rural areas when it comes to voting and representation in government.

It is therefore profitable to ensure a thriving prison population.

As trauma increases the odds of poverty and criminal behavior, it is also therefore profitable to ensure that prisoners are traumatized, in order to increase the odds that they will exhibit dangerous behavior that delays their release and that they will engage in future criminal behavior if released (so we can send them back to prison).

And! ... Let us not forget that the owners of privatized prisons provide enormous financial backing to candidates of both parties. Surely this must be for the good of the democratic process?

[Lemanrussland]

I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.

The only problem is that it doesn't work. It doesn't deter crime. America still has the highest number of prisoners in the world, and contains 25% of the world's prison population.

The rise of incarceration rates in the US are mostly due to mandatory minimum sentencing laws (and longer sentences in general) and the drug war, rather than recidivism or the crime rate (which has been falling over the past 20 years or so). The US has a recidivism rate of about 52 percent, compared to 39 percent in Australia, 43 percent in Japan, 46 percent in England and Wales, 50 percent in Scotland, and 62 percent in Ireland. On the other hand, a burglar will serve an average of 16 months in the US, compared to 5 months in Canada and 7 months in England.

I'm sure the differences in funding for family development, social programs, and rehabilitation programs in prisons makes a difference (you get around $7 back for every $1 you put into the social development of children and families), but that's not the main reason why the incarceration rates are so much different.

[Bottle]

Prisons provide a useful captive labor market that can be exploited to produce goods at reduced cost.

Prisons also provide a means of manipulating census results to give disproportionate influence to rural areas when it comes to voting and representation in government.

It is therefore profitable to ensure a thriving prison population.

As trauma increases the odds of poverty and criminal behavior, it is also therefore profitable to ensure that prisoners are traumatized, in order to increase the odds that they will exhibit dangerous behavior that delays their release and that they will engage in future criminal behavior if released (so we can send them back to prison).

And! ... Let us not forget that the owners of privatized prisons provide enormous financial backing to candidates of both parties. Surely this must be for the good of the democratic process?

Fear can also be exploited in the form of "tough on crime" stances, thereby convincing Joe and Jane Voter that their elected officials are protecting them in some meaningful way. Racial tensions further sweeten the deal.

[Great Kleomentia]

Erm...no?

[The New Sea Territory]

Good thing rape in American prisons isn't even that widespread.

It's more widespread than rape outside prison.

[The New Sea Territory]

Erm...no?

Seriously. I don't see why this is even a discussion. If you believe that punishment in prison should be being raped in bathrooms and showers, your opinions should be put in line with Young Earthers, Luddites and those who say the NWO controls us all.

[Infected Mushroom]

Yes!

Show the kids what happens to people who deal drugs, assault other people, and steal things. This should scare at least some people out of a life of crime.