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by Scomagia » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:41 pm
The Sotoan Union wrote:Scomagia wrote:Sources for all of that, please.
I have seen numerous interviews with guards and prisoners. It happens but it's not common. The idea that it is encouraged is made up. Really the media portrays it inaccurately, to the point where people think it is inevitable. An everyday experience in prison life. That is wrong.
A study reported a prevalence rate of 1.91% with a 95% confidence interval between 1.37–2.46%. Abuse by guards is more common, but that is not what this OP is about. It could potentially by higher, but I wouldn't say higher than 5%. It also depends on the type of prison.
It certainly is not encouraged.
by The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:42 pm
Scomagia wrote:The Sotoan Union wrote:I have seen numerous interviews with guards and prisoners. It happens but it's not common. The idea that it is encouraged is made up. Really the media portrays it inaccurately, to the point where people think it is inevitable. An everyday experience in prison life. That is wrong.
A study reported a prevalence rate of 1.91% with a 95% confidence interval between 1.37–2.46%. Abuse by guards is more common, but that is not what this OP is about. It could potentially by higher, but I wouldn't say higher than 5%. It also depends on the type of prison.
It certainly is not encouraged.
Interesting. Thanks for edumacating me.
by Herrebrugh » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:43 pm
by Herrebrugh » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:50 pm
by Intelectual Atheists » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:51 pm
by Pandeeria » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:54 pm
Herrebrugh wrote:Scomagia wrote:I'd like to see you try that, though.
This is completely like the time Balthasar Gerards, the murderer of the Vader des Vaderlands Willem van Oranje, was on trial. He was tortured, and later, I quote:"...hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gérard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gérard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gérard was executed."
Sounds traumatising to me.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Herrebrugh » Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:56 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Herrebrugh wrote:
This is completely like the time Balthasar Gerards, the murderer of the Vader des Vaderlands Willem van Oranje, was on trial. He was tortured, and later, I quote:"...hung on a pole and lashed with a whip. After that his wounds were smeared with honey and a goat was brought to lick the honey off his skin with his rough tongue. The goat however refused to touch the body of the sentenced. After this and other tortures he was left to pass the night with his hands and feet bound together, like a ball, so sleep would be difficult. During the following three days, he was repeatedly mocked and hung on a pole with his hands tied behind his back. Then a weight of 300 metric pounds (150 kg) was attached to each of his big toes for half an hour. After this half hour Gérard was fitted with shoes made of well-oiled, uncured dog skin; the shoes were two fingers shorter than his feet. In this state he was put before a fire. When the shoes warmed up, they contracted, crushing the feet inside them to stumps. When the shoes were removed, his half-broiled skin was torn off. After his feet were damaged, his armpits were branded. After that he was dressed in a shirt soaked in alcohol. Then burning bacon fat was poured over him and sharp nails were stuck between the flesh and the nails of his hands and feet. Gérard is said to have remained calm during his torture. On 14 July 1584, Gérard was executed."
Sounds traumatising to me.
What a disgusting why to die. Especially the nails.
by Pope Joan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:01 pm
by Prezelly » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:06 pm
Pope Joan wrote:America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.
Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.
Because it feels good.
There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.
by The Orson Empire » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:07 pm
Prezelly wrote:Pope Joan wrote:America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.
Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.
Because it feels good.
There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.
I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.
by Prezelly » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:09 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Prezelly wrote:I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.
The only problem is that it doesn't work. It doesn't deter crime. America still has the highest number of prisoners in the world, and contains 25% of the world's prison population.
by Pope Joan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:29 pm
Prezelly wrote:Pope Joan wrote:America has long ago given up any pretense of rehabilitation of convicts.
Now it is all about hurting them, period. Vengeance.
Because it feels good.
There are no other social goals in mind, just official sadism.
I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.
by Bottle » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:43 pm
by Pope Joan » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:45 pm
Bottle wrote:Prisons provide a useful captive labor market that can be exploited to produce goods at reduced cost.
Prisons also provide a means of manipulating census results to give disproportionate influence to rural areas when it comes to voting and representation in government.
It is therefore profitable to ensure a thriving prison population.
As trauma increases the odds of poverty and criminal behavior, it is also therefore profitable to ensure that prisoners are traumatized, in order to increase the odds that they will exhibit dangerous behavior that delays their release and that they will engage in future criminal behavior if released (so we can send them back to prison).
by Lemanrussland » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:45 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Prezelly wrote:I think it is meant to deter crime. I mean who would want to risk going to a place where they do this to you? Especially a second time.
The only problem is that it doesn't work. It doesn't deter crime. America still has the highest number of prisoners in the world, and contains 25% of the world's prison population.
by Bottle » Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:56 pm
Pope Joan wrote:Bottle wrote:Prisons provide a useful captive labor market that can be exploited to produce goods at reduced cost.
Prisons also provide a means of manipulating census results to give disproportionate influence to rural areas when it comes to voting and representation in government.
It is therefore profitable to ensure a thriving prison population.
As trauma increases the odds of poverty and criminal behavior, it is also therefore profitable to ensure that prisoners are traumatized, in order to increase the odds that they will exhibit dangerous behavior that delays their release and that they will engage in future criminal behavior if released (so we can send them back to prison).
And! ... Let us not forget that the owners of privatized prisons provide enormous financial backing to candidates of both parties. Surely this must be for the good of the democratic process?
by The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:18 pm
New Cyyro wrote:Good thing rape in American prisons isn't even that widespread.
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by The New Sea Territory » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:20 pm
Great Kleomentia wrote:Erm...no?
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
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by Infected Mushroom » Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:32 pm
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