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Postby Condunum » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:30 am

Also looting happened against last night, despite attempts from both the police and locals to protect stores with broken doors and windows. According to the article people who were trying to stop looters eventually left (because you can't stay all night) and some time after midnight looting began again in a few stores.

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Edit: It appears that protesters began protecting the stores after looting started again, in an effort to end the looting.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:38 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that's what I thought he had no reason to lie about what he was seeing as it happened.


I don't find it a terrible thing. I think it is amazing that there can be this kind of independent evidence because someone tweeted about what he was seeing. its no different than calling a friend.


Not so much amazing, as indicative of the community relations issues faced the police that they haven't pulled in the account holder as a witness despite apparently police taping him into his house.

ferugson is such a clusterfuck that I don't know that they can do anything right.
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Not so much amazing, as indicative of the community relations issues faced the police that they haven't pulled in the account holder as a witness despite apparently police taping him into his house.

ferugson is such a clusterfuck that I don't know that they can do anything right.

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Postby Jocabia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:48 am

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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:2. that witness has been refuted by other witnesses. statement not credible

No he hasn't. At least two other witnesses have confirmed that Brown had surrendered when he was killed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 68278.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/witness-missou ... d=24920358

Geez, that is seriously damning eyewitness accounts.

It should be fairly easy for it to be a proven case of murder, though. If Brown was shot in the back, the cop is definitely at fault. According to every witness, Brown was shot at least once in the back. I can't even find any good testimony to suggest that what the cop described, or at least the way the chief said it was described, actually happened.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:59 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:ferugson is such a clusterfuck that I don't know that they can do anything right.

Evacuate it, check if there is an Indianan burial ground, if so deport it to Indira, if not nuke the area anyways, 2 be sure.

given its proximity to the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers it would be surprising if it isn't on or near indian burial spots. its not far from Cahokia (on the other side of the Mississippi) which was a major city in the 1200s.
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Ashmoria wrote:
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Evacuate it, check if there is an Indianan burial ground, if so deport it to Indira, if not nuke the area anyways, 2 be sure.

given its proximity to the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers it would be surprising if it isn't on or near indian burial spots. its not far from Cahokia (on the other side of the Mississippi) which was a major city in the 1200s.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:15 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:given its proximity to the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers it would be surprising if it isn't on or near indian burial spots. its not far from Cahokia (on the other side of the Mississippi) which was a major city in the 1200s.

Holy Shit that was unintentional, kinda disturbed now...


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Postby Aurulie » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:38 pm

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Aurulie wrote:Great, so why aren't blacks rioting when another black kills them, just because a white person kills a black person doesn't mean it's racism.


Because more often then not those crimes don't involve police officers.

Because that makes the murder OK.

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Postby Allanea » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:40 pm

Aurulie wrote:
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Because more often then not those crimes don't involve police officers.

Because that makes the murder OK.


That isn't the issue at all.

THe point is, public protests won't affect anything a gang of criminals does.

On the other hand, police officers supposedly work for the public. One would assume that public protests will somehow sway them to change their policies.

And sometimes protests become riots.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:49 pm

I live in Missouri about an hour's drive from Ferguson and the St. Louis area. Being a local, I know the story of what really happened, in case anyone is interested.

The teen was standing in the middle of the road, and the police officer told the teen to move out of the way. The teen refused, and the cop decided to arrest him. As the teen was being arrested and being moved into the police car, the teen grabbed the other officer's gun (the officer who was sitting in the car) and tried to shoot the officer who was arresting him. There was a scuffle, and the teen was shot. End of story.

As horrible as this is, it happens in St. Louis all the time. St. Louis is overrun by ghettos, drugs, and crime (at least, East St. Louis and North St. Louis are). I also watched the 'Reverend' Al Sharpton's sermon on TV. He claims there has been no justice for Michael Brown and his family. Al Sharpton is really a race-baiter, not a civil rights activist. He likes getting attention and causing trouble. Of course there should be an investigation (Sharpton claims there is no investigation going on), and there is one currently in process. There are rumors that some people have videotapes of the whole ordeal. No one has come forward yet.

These riots prove that there are a lot of black supremacists waiting for an opportunity to riot over the smallest thing. This harkens back to the Zimmerman trial incident. It's a bunch of hokey. I am more liable to believe the police officer's account. My comments are probably racist, but it won't change my opinion. I love black people, but I hate the ghetto culture of baggy shorts, rap music, and promiscuity (and some black people belong to this culture).
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:50 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I live in Missouri about an hour's drive from Ferguson and the St. Louis area. Being a local, I know the story of what really happened, in case anyone is interested.

The teen was standing in the middle of the road, and the police officer told the teen to move out of the way. The teen refused, and the cop decided to arrest him. As the teen was being arrested and being moved into the police car, the teen grabbed the other officer's gun (the officer who was sitting in the car) and tried to shoot the officer who was arresting him. There was a scuffle, and the teen was shot. End of story.

As horrible as this is, it happens in St. Louis all the time. St. Louis is overrun by ghettos, drugs, and crime (at least, East St. Louis and North St. Louis are). I also watched the 'Reverend' Al Sharpton's sermon on TV. He claims there has been no justice for Michael Brown and his family. Al Sharpton is really a race-baiter, not a civil rights activist. He likes getting attention and causing trouble. Of course there should be an investigation (Sharpton claims there is no investigation going on), and there is one currently in process. There are rumors that some people have videotapes of the whole ordeal. No one has come forward yet.

These riots prove that there are a lot of black supremacists waiting for an opportunity to riot over the smallest thing. This harkens back to the Zimmerman trial incident. It's a bunch of hokey. I am more liable to believe the police officer's account. My comments are probably racist, but it won't change my opinion. I love black people, but I hate the ghetto culture of baggy shorts, rap music, and promiscuity (and some black people belong to this culture).

Yeah, bullshit.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:52 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I live in Missouri about an hour's drive from Ferguson and the St. Louis area. Being a local, I know the story of what really happened, in case anyone is interested.

The teen was standing in the middle of the road, and the police officer told the teen to move out of the way. The teen refused, and the cop decided to arrest him. As the teen was being arrested and being moved into the police car, the teen grabbed the other officer's gun (the officer who was sitting in the car) and tried to shoot the officer who was arresting him. There was a scuffle, and the teen was shot. End of story.

As horrible as this is, it happens in St. Louis all the time. St. Louis is overrun by ghettos, drugs, and crime (at least, East St. Louis and North St. Louis are). I also watched the 'Reverend' Al Sharpton's sermon on TV. He claims there has been no justice for Michael Brown and his family. Al Sharpton is really a race-baiter, not a civil rights activist. He likes getting attention and causing trouble. Of course there should be an investigation (Sharpton claims there is no investigation going on), and there is one currently in process. There are rumors that some people have videotapes of the whole ordeal. No one has come forward yet.

These riots prove that there are a lot of black supremacists waiting for an opportunity to riot over the smallest thing. This harkens back to the Zimmerman trial incident. It's a bunch of hokey. I am more liable to believe the police officer's account. My comments are probably racist, but it won't change my opinion. I love black people, but I hate the ghetto culture of baggy shorts, rap music, and promiscuity (and some black people belong to this culture).

Yeah, bullshit.


Bullshit on all points.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:53 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:given its proximity to the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers it would be surprising if it isn't on or near indian burial spots. its not far from Cahokia (on the other side of the Mississippi) which was a major city in the 1200s.

Holy Shit that was unintentional, kinda disturbed now...

Or bury the shot kid in the Indian sematary so he comes back and there is no reason for the riots.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Yeah, bullshit.


Bullshit on all points.

Well, I suppose he was right when he said the teen was shot. but other than that...

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:56 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bullshit on all points.

Well, I suppose he was right when he said the teen was shot. but other than that...


... 9/10 points then.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:29 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I live in Missouri about an hour's drive from Ferguson and the St. Louis area. Being a local, I know the story of what really happened, in case anyone is interested.

The teen was standing in the middle of the road, and the police officer told the teen to move out of the way. The teen refused, and the cop decided to arrest him. As the teen was being arrested and being moved into the police car, the teen grabbed the other officer's gun (the officer who was sitting in the car) and tried to shoot the officer who was arresting him. There was a scuffle, and the teen was shot. End of story.

As horrible as this is, it happens in St. Louis all the time. St. Louis is overrun by ghettos, drugs, and crime (at least, East St. Louis and North St. Louis are). I also watched the 'Reverend' Al Sharpton's sermon on TV. He claims there has been no justice for Michael Brown and his family. Al Sharpton is really a race-baiter, not a civil rights activist. He likes getting attention and causing trouble. Of course there should be an investigation (Sharpton claims there is no investigation going on), and there is one currently in process. There are rumors that some people have videotapes of the whole ordeal. No one has come forward yet.

These riots prove that there are a lot of black supremacists waiting for an opportunity to riot over the smallest thing. This harkens back to the Zimmerman trial incident. It's a bunch of hokey. I am more liable to believe the police officer's account. My comments are probably racist, but it won't change my opinion. I love black people, but I hate the ghetto culture of baggy shorts, rap music, and promiscuity (and some black people belong to this culture).

Every single eyewitness account we've gotten says you're wrong.
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Postby Ripken » Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:59 pm

Just give your opinions

Personally i feel like the rioters are just playing the racist card (just like they did on the Trayvon Martin case) I feel like the man probably did violate and attack the officer. But that's just my opinion.

I understand this is a very sensitive topic. Please be respectful and willing to let people list their opinions.
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Postby George Smiley II » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:00 pm

Ripken wrote:JPlease be respectful and willing to let people list their opinions.


No...

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Postby Condunum » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:01 pm

How's about you read more than one opinion piece on the story and then formulate an opinion, eh?
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Postby Ripken » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Condunum wrote:How's about you read more than one opinion piece on the story and then formulate an opinion, eh?


First off nobody knows what fully happened. And i have heard 2 sides of the story. I just doubt that a officer would shoot out of cold blood. I feel like they are just playing the racist card
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Postby Avenio » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Condunum wrote:How's about you read more than one opinion piece on the story and then formulate an opinion, eh?


Let's be honest here. Look at his flag and his signature. He hasn't even read an op-ed piece - he heard a ten-second blurb on the news or something about it and made up his mind about it. Doubly so since it tweaks his 'liberal race card' gland.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:21 pm

Ripken wrote:
Condunum wrote:How's about you read more than one opinion piece on the story and then formulate an opinion, eh?


First off nobody knows what fully happened. And i have heard 2 sides of the story. I just doubt that a officer would shoot out of cold blood. I feel like they are just playing the racist card

The officer shot someone unarmed and somewhere along the lines of thirty feet away... TEN TIMES.

But go ahead and live your racist fantasy.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:24 pm

Condunum wrote:
Ripken wrote:
First off nobody knows what fully happened. And i have heard 2 sides of the story. I just doubt that a officer would shoot out of cold blood. I feel like they are just playing the racist card

The officer shot someone unarmed and somewhere along the lines of thirty feet away... TEN TIMES.

But go ahead and live your racist fantasy.



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Condunum wrote:How's about you read more than one opinion piece on the story and then formulate an opinion, eh?


Let's be honest here. Look at his flag and his signature. He hasn't even read an op-ed piece - he heard a ten-second blurb on the news or something about it and made up his mind about it. Doubly so since it tweaks his 'liberal race card' gland.


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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:39 pm

Condunum wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I live in Missouri about an hour's drive from Ferguson and the St. Louis area. Being a local, I know the story of what really happened, in case anyone is interested.

The teen was standing in the middle of the road, and the police officer told the teen to move out of the way. The teen refused, and the cop decided to arrest him. As the teen was being arrested and being moved into the police car, the teen grabbed the other officer's gun (the officer who was sitting in the car) and tried to shoot the officer who was arresting him. There was a scuffle, and the teen was shot. End of story.

As horrible as this is, it happens in St. Louis all the time. St. Louis is overrun by ghettos, drugs, and crime (at least, East St. Louis and North St. Louis are). I also watched the 'Reverend' Al Sharpton's sermon on TV. He claims there has been no justice for Michael Brown and his family. Al Sharpton is really a race-baiter, not a civil rights activist. He likes getting attention and causing trouble. Of course there should be an investigation (Sharpton claims there is no investigation going on), and there is one currently in process. There are rumors that some people have videotapes of the whole ordeal. No one has come forward yet.

These riots prove that there are a lot of black supremacists waiting for an opportunity to riot over the smallest thing. This harkens back to the Zimmerman trial incident. It's a bunch of hokey. I am more liable to believe the police officer's account. My comments are probably racist, but it won't change my opinion. I love black people, but I hate the ghetto culture of baggy shorts, rap music, and promiscuity (and some black people belong to this culture).

Every single eyewitness account we've gotten says you're wrong.


Hey, HEY!

Who are you gonna believe, huh? Journalists on the scene and eyewitnesses to the event, or random guy on the internet who claims to live about an hour away from where it's all going down?

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:49 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:that's what I thought he had no reason to lie about what he was seeing as it happened.


I don't find it a terrible thing. I think it is amazing that there can be this kind of independent evidence because someone tweeted about what he was seeing. its no different than calling a friend.


Not so much amazing, as indicative of the community relations issues faced the police that they haven't pulled in the account holder as a witness despite apparently police taping him into his house.

The police had to go from investigating to riot control fairly quickly.
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