Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Arkolon]

So he was supposedly stealing cigars and that apparently justifies everything for the person sitting across me. Anyone care to restore my disfaith in the police?

[Geilinor]

Given that the officer was in hospital for his injuries, use of force was justified.

How is using lethal force on a person who was fleeing and is now surrendering justified?

Didn't you just say, "Witnesses tend to not remember things exactly as they see them?"

[Mavorpen]

How is using lethal force on a person who was fleeing and is now surrendering justified?

What his friend said. Not proven.

No, what his friend and multiple witnesses said.

2. that witness has been refuted by other witnesses. statement not credible

No he hasn't. At least two other witnesses have confirmed that Brown had surrendered when he was killed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 68278.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/witness-missou ... d=24920358

[Mavorpen]

How is using lethal force on a person who was fleeing and is now surrendering justified?

Didn't you just say, "Witnesses tend to not remember things exactly as they see them?"

Yes, and?

[Geilinor]

Didn't you just say, "Witnesses tend to not remember things exactly as they see them?"

Yes, and?

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

[Condunum]

How is using lethal force on a person who was fleeing and is now surrendering justified?

What his friend said. Not proven.

Multiple eyewitness testimonies state he was surrendering. You have nothing to stand on except a shaky police report.

[Mavorpen]

Yes, and?

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

No shit. And?

[Condunum]

Yes, and?

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

All three of them? Maybe. Then again, probably not.

[The UK in Exile]

Yes, and?

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

Well shit, Maybe he's still alive then?

[Neutraligon]

Yes, and?

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

As could the cop. The fact that what the witness said is backed up by multiple witnesses tends to give it more credence.

[Geilinor]

The witnesses you're quoting could be mistaken.

No shit. And?

Your opinion on the shooting rests solely on those eyewitness accounts. I'm simply saying that we don't have strong enough information to decide exactly what occurred.

[Mavorpen]

No shit. And?

Your opinion on the shooting rests solely on those eyewitness accounts. I'm simply saying that we don't have strong enough information to decide exactly what occurred.

Again, no shit. And?

[Condunum]

No shit. And?

Your opinion on the shooting rests solely on those eyewitness accounts. I'm simply saying that we don't have strong enough information to decide exactly what occurred.

I can guarantee you without a doubt in my mind the vast majority of the unreleased witness testimonies are either more incriminating or equally incriminating of the officer. (assuming more than three can be gathered)

[Vamtrl]

Your opinion on the shooting rests solely on those eyewitness accounts. I'm simply saying that we don't have strong enough information to decide exactly what occurred.

Again, no shit. And?

Well you stay on yo side, while I stay on my side. Justice for the police!

[Ashmoria]

How is using lethal force on a person who was fleeing and is now surrendering justified?

What his friend said. Not proven.

here's a story about someone who had no reason to lie about what he saw.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-just-s ... -shooting/

[Organized States]

So which witnesses are making conflicting statements?

I heard something along those lines.

Making some conflicting statements shouldn't be surprising to anyone used to witness reports. Witnesses tend to not remember things exactly as they see them.

Not surprising.

[Greed and Death]

So he was supposedly stealing cigars and that apparently justifies everything for the person sitting across me. Anyone care to restore my disfaith in the police?

He supposedly beat the police officer who shot him.

The officer did seek treatment at the hospital, for a swollen face (which sounds like a non-medical term to me so that tells me it was someone who saw him go to the hospital that reported that).

Could the officer's use of force be reasonable ? Maybe maybe not. If in the course of the fight the officer received injuries that blurred his vision so he could not distinguish a man holding his hands up in surrender or a man preparing to leap at him again, the use of force may well have been reasonable. Am I saying it is reasonable ? No. Just stringing together how I might defend him in court.

Really we would need a full investigation to be certain. Now the riot has pretty much ensured that if there is a trial there will be a change of venue and given Missouri's Demographics it is now pretty well assured he will get a trial with a jury of white men, likely from a rural area. Another thing the riot may have done is destroyed evidence.

[Condunum]

Anonymous shared the dispatch tapes from the Ferguson PD around the event.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/15 ... -dispatch/

[Ravenflight]

Anonymous shared the dispatch tapes from the Ferguson PD around the event.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/15 ... -dispatch/

They've been doing that for days...seriously are none of you on twitter. Google. #opFerguson

[Ravenflight]

Also they stopped protesting...the governor or something is stepping in

[Scholmeria]

I'm not really sure if his death is a loss to the world, though.
If all violent robbers, thieves, rapists and murderers in the world dropped dead today, we'd have peace tomorrow.



Bullshit. I also know plenty of people who did bad things, but there are 'bad things' and then there are things like rioting, arson, looting, violent robbery and severe physical assault.
If you think those are normal things for 18-year-olds to do, then I suggest you get 'straight outta Compton' and find a place where people are normal.

he stole some freaking cigars and pushed the employee around to do it. geez where do YOU live that young men don't do stupid things like this?

If he went to court than his defence would be that he is young, black and his familiy were slaves. It "caused him unjust so he must somewhere to release his anger"

That are normal thing for 18-year-old. Pot, sex and parting sure are but robbing not.

[Aurulie]

Great, so why aren't blacks rioting when another black kills them, just because a white person kills a black person doesn't mean it's racism.

[Aurulie]

And these riots are doing nothing but driving the businesses away from blacks.

[Neutraligon]

Great, so why aren't blacks rioting when another black kills them, just because a white person kills a black person doesn't mean it's racism.

Because more often then not those crimes don't involve police officers.

[Ashmoria]

he stole some freaking cigars and pushed the employee around to do it. geez where do YOU live that young men don't do stupid things like this?

If he went to court than his defence would be that he is young, black and his familiy were slaves. It "caused him unjust so he must somewhere to release his anger"

That are normal thing for 18-year-old. Pot, sex and parting sure are but robbing not.

*shrug*

18 year olds do lots of stupid things. except for underage drinking and pot smoking none are "normal" on their own but breaking the law in general is common. joyriding in a car that isn't your own, drag racing on city streets, assault, tagging, shoplifting, destruction of property, and other things of this type are common enough in young men that it means little in relation to the kind of men they will be in 10 years.