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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:30 pm


Okay…..

Good to know you admit you're wrong.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:30 pm

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Given the local time of 13:39 and an ambient temperature of 29 degrees centigrade, I would hazard a guess that they are either at work or out in a park somewhere.


so in other words, you're just bullshitting and have no idea who saw what?


The witnesses, the ones cited by every news report and quoted in pages linked in this thread.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:32 pm

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so in other words, you're just bullshitting and have no idea who saw what?


The witnesses, the ones cited by every news report and quoted in pages linked in this thread.


the two witness that offer incomplete and contradictory statements? oh okay.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:32 pm

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except your own source says they didn't witness the shooting, just the initial confrontation.

and actually the second witness completely refutes the first witness. Yup, open and shut case. :roll:

What does this have to do with my post?
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:33 pm

For people who still claim Brown deserved to be shot for participating in robbery I bring up the case of Texas Sovereign Citizen Douglas LeGuin (a white man of course) who set fire to a dumpster in a gated community to lure fire and police so he could ambush them with an AK-47. And even after he shot at them, the SWAT team let LeGuin surrender rather than gunning him down like a zombie as would have been the case if he had been an unarmed black man.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
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The witnesses, the ones cited by every news report and quoted in pages linked in this thread.


the two witness that offer incomplete and contradictory statements? oh okay.


both pretty consistent on whether he tried to take the officers gun. (hint: he didn't.)
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:
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Unmoved. :roll:

Okay…..

Good to know you admit you're wrong.


Is "I win, thanks for conceding" an actual debate tactic allowed here? lmao, so childish. Your side has shown absolutely no evidence and yet you and people like you keep badgering about police brutality :roll:

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Postby Boston and Surrounding Provinces » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:For people who still claim Brown deserved to be shot for participating in robbery I bring up the case of Texas Sovereign Citizen Douglas LeGuin (a white man of course) who set fire to a dumpster in a gated community to lure fire and police so he could ambush them with an AK-47. And even after he shot at them, the SWAT team let LeGuin surrender rather than gunning him down like a zombie as would have been the case if he had been an unarmed black man.


You realize Texas and Missouri are two separate places, right?
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:35 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Okay…..

Good to know you admit you're wrong.


Is "I win, thanks for conceding" an actual debate tactic allowed here? lmao, so childish. Your side has shown absolutely no evidence and yet you and people like you keep badgering about police brutality :roll:

Says the guy who blatantly admits to committing a logical fallacy.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:35 pm

Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Gauthier wrote:For people who still claim Brown deserved to be shot for participating in robbery I bring up the case of Texas Sovereign Citizen Douglas LeGuin (a white man of course) who set fire to a dumpster in a gated community to lure fire and police so he could ambush them with an AK-47. And even after he shot at them, the SWAT team let LeGuin surrender rather than gunning him down like a zombie as would have been the case if he had been an unarmed black man.


You realize Texas and Missouri are two separate places, right?


New York is supposed to be a blue state but it's the Stop and Frisk capital of America. Your point being?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:36 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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except your own source says they didn't witness the shooting, just the initial confrontation.

and actually the second witness completely refutes the first witness. Yup, open and shut case. :roll:

What does this have to do with my post?


I'm sorry,... I thought that was obvious. Point is you're wrong,and should feel bad about being so wrong. At this point there are no credible witnesses that can verify "Your version" of how the events went down.

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Postby Boston and Surrounding Provinces » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:37 pm

Gauthier wrote:
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You realize Texas and Missouri are two separate places, right?


New York is supposed to be a blue state but it's the Stop and Frisk capital of America. Your point being?


I believe the city of New York is the culprit in that case.

The police don't want another 9/11, and will do whatever it costs to prevent it. They're simply shaken.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:37 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Is "I win, thanks for conceding" an actual debate tactic allowed here? lmao, so childish. Your side has shown absolutely no evidence and yet you and people like you keep badgering about police brutality :roll:

Says the guy who blatantly admits to committing a logical fallacy.


First off, admits? :roll:
Second here have a slice of hypocrisy: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:38 pm

Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
New York is supposed to be a blue state but it's the Stop and Frisk capital of America. Your point being?


I believe the city of New York is the culprit in that case.

The police don't want another 9/11, and will do whatever it costs to prevent it. They're simply shaken.


Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:38 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:What does this have to do with my post?


I'm sorry,... I thought that was obvious. Point is you're wrong,and should feel bad about being so wrong. At this point there are no credible witnesses that can verify "Your version" of how the events went down.

Wrong about what? Nothing in that post contradicts my claim that there was more than one witness.
Family members and some witnesses disputed the police account. They say Brown had his hands up in surrender when he was shot.


There is no "my version." I've only stated facts about what's been claimed by witnesses. I wasn't there. I can't have my own version of something I did not personally see.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:39 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
I believe the city of New York is the culprit in that case.

The police don't want another 9/11, and will do whatever it costs to prevent it. They're simply shaken.


Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Damn right,... they hijack hearts.

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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:40 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
I believe the city of New York is the culprit in that case.

The police don't want another 9/11, and will do whatever it costs to prevent it. They're simply shaken.


Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Lots of black terrorists. Underwear bomber, black.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:41 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Lots of black terrorists. Underwear bomber, black.


One bomber = lots

I love new math.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Boston and Surrounding Provinces » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:41 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
I believe the city of New York is the culprit in that case.

The police don't want another 9/11, and will do whatever it costs to prevent it. They're simply shaken.


Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Ever heard "See something, say something?"

That applies to EVERYONE.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:42 pm

Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Ever heard "See something, say something?"

That applies to EVERYONE.


But applies to blacks and Latinos the most. *nod nod*
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:42 pm

Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because blacks and Latinos were the hijackers. Yeah, we forgot about that part.


Ever heard "See something, say something?"

That applies to EVERYONE.


What happened to loose lips sink ships?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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Postby Boston and Surrounding Provinces » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:45 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Ever heard "See something, say something?"

That applies to EVERYONE.


But applies to blacks and Latinos the most. *nod nod*


'murica.

The UK in Exile wrote:
Boston and Surrounding Provinces wrote:
Ever heard "See something, say something?"

That applies to EVERYONE.


What happened to loose lips sink ships?


Don't know. That just didn't apply to a terrorist attack, unless you were the terrorist, and didn't want to let out the plans.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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I'm sorry,... I thought that was obvious. Point is you're wrong,and should feel bad about being so wrong. At this point there are no credible witnesses that can verify "Your version" of how the events went down.

Wrong about what? Nothing in that post contradicts my claim that there was more than one witness.
Family members and some witnesses disputed the police account. They say Brown had his hands up in surrender when he was shot.


There is no "my version." I've only stated facts about what's been claimed by witnesses. I wasn't there. I can't have my own version of something I did not personally see.


You've been sourcing their claims as "facts" for rebuttal, but they're all unreliable. You know nothing about what actually happened because no one currently involved does except the Cop and the dead guy. There's no credible evidence at this to give us any idea of how exactly the shooting occurred. Yet you are trying to argue for a certain version of the events, because it's what you want to believe not because it's substantiated by reality (at this time).
Mavorpen wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
No what he was doing was struggling with the officer for his gun. Dumb ass that he was.

Again, wrong. He wasn't struggling with the officer for the gun when he was killed.

-Unknown, first witness not credible, second witness did not witness shooting.


Mavorpen wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
His friend, an unreliable witness like his family who claimed their son was innocent. Turned out he wasnt.

Sorry, but there was more than one witness.


Your multiple witness claim doesn't hold up because of the two witnesses 1 admits they didn't see the shooting. The one who presumably did, is also not a credible witness. So this is worthless at this point.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:53 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Wrong about what? Nothing in that post contradicts my claim that there was more than one witness.

There is no "my version." I've only stated facts about what's been claimed by witnesses. I wasn't there. I can't have my own version of something I did not personally see.


You've been sourcing their claims as "facts" for rebuttal, but they're all unreliable. You know nothing about what actually happened because no one currently involved does except the Cop and the dead guy. There's no credible evidence at this to give us any idea of how exactly the shooting occurred. Yet you are trying to argue for a certain version of the events, because it's what you want to believe not because it's substantiated by reality (at this time).
Mavorpen wrote:Again, wrong. He wasn't struggling with the officer for the gun when he was killed.

-Unknown, first witness not credible, second witness did not witness shooting.




Your multiple witness claim doesn't hold up because of the two witnesses 1 admits they didn't see the shooting. The one who presumably did, is also not a credible witness. So this is worthless at this point.


You know who the least credible witness to a shooting is right? the guy who did the shooting.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:55 pm

Gauthier wrote:
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Lots of black terrorists. Underwear bomber, black.


One bomber = lots

I love new math.


Just an example, cant refute my claim?

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