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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:33 am

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Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This shit is Trayvon Martin again. I want to be angry. White America wants to be angry. But we're tired of seeing this shit play out the same way over and over again, and we're tired of being blamed for it all.

Remember the teen that opened the door holding a wii remote, the cop didn't say anything or identify herself when she knocked, and just gunned him down? Was white but poor, obviously of no use to society, and the cop was right, right?

We don't know that he was poor.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:33 am

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No what he was doing was struggling with the officer for his gun. Dumb ass that he was.

Again, wrong. He wasn't struggling with the officer for the gun when he was killed.


The officer was apparently injured in the incident, and since the Police haven't released an incident report about the shooting, I'd love to know where you got that info.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:36 am

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Mavorpen wrote:Again, wrong. He wasn't struggling with the officer for the gun when he was killed.


The officer was apparently injured in the incident, and since the Police haven't released an incident report about the shooting, I'd love to know where you got that info.


from eye witnesses.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:36 am

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Mavorpen wrote:...Whut?


presumably he's of the "why are people so outraged about unarmed people being shot in self defence?" crowd.



and alas the problematic cycle continues

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:37 am

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The officer was apparently injured in the incident, and since the Police haven't released an incident report about the shooting, I'd love to know where you got that info.


from eye witnesses.



and they are where?

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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:37 am

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No presumably he was too busy bleeding to death. :roll:

...What?


No what. Tell me your version of what happened then before the guy got shot.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:38 am

Blasted Craigs wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:This shit is Trayvon Martin again. I want to be angry. White America wants to be angry. But we're tired of seeing this shit play out the same way over and over again, and we're tired of being blamed for it all.

Okay, (begin Sarcasm Mode)
are you mad things like this happen? Or mad people have the gall to complain kids are being shot with impunity, and think they should quietly just go about their business and not "bother" white America with this "Nonsense". Meanwile, the Republicans scream bloody murder at the injustice of the fact they were audited in a discriminate manner by the IRS, now there is a real crime worthy of public outrage, and WHY ARE NOT MORE PEOPLE OUTRAGED!?!? Conservatives are the true victims, dontcha know? (End Sarcasm)

If you are outraged children are shot and killed in American streets and nothing is done, then I agree. It is a travesty, not just this one incident, but also the many similar cases that happen every year. And not just to minorities, but all the poor. Remember the teen that opened the door holding a wii remote, the cop didn't say anything or identify herself when she knocked, and just gunned him down? Was white but poor, obviously of no use to society, and the cop was right, right?

It kills me this type of shit happens ALL THE TIME, yet there are still many who say there is not a problem.



And thankyou for taking everything I didn't say, and making it out that I did say that.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:38 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:...What?


No what. Tell me your version of what happened then before the guy got shot.

Again, what? There is no "my version."
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:39 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
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from eye witnesses.



and they are where?


His friend, an unreliable witness like his family who claimed their son was innocent. Turned out he wasnt.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:40 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
from eye witnesses.



and they are where?


Given the local time of 13:39 and an ambient temperature of 29 degrees centigrade, I would hazard a guess that they are either at work or out in a park somewhere.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:40 am

Mavorpen wrote:
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No what. Tell me your version of what happened then before the guy got shot.

Again, what? There is no "my version."


Its clearly different from the official version.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:40 am

Vamtrl wrote:
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and they are where?


His friend, an unreliable witness like his family who claimed their son was innocent. Turned out he wasnt.

Sorry, but there was more than one witness.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:41 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Again, what? There is no "my version."


Its clearly different from the official version.

There is no "official version."
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Allanea » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:41 am

Vamtrl wrote:
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and they are where?


His friend, an unreliable witness like his family who claimed their son was innocent. Turned out he wasnt.


His previous criminal history does not mean he was not innocent in this specific case.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:43 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Its clearly different from the official version.

There is no "official version."


I trust the police version. I don't get where people get the idea that the people in blue are robots shooting black people remorselessly.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:45 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:There is no "official version."


I trust the police version. I don't get where people get the idea that the people in blue are robots shooting black people remorselessly.


from the news?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:45 am

Vamtrl wrote:I trust the police version.

Good for you?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:47 am

Name of the officer has been released.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/15/ferguson-seattleprotest.html

Darren Wilson, who has had no previous infractions in his six years of service.

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Postby DesAnges » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:49 am

Merizoc wrote:Name of the officer has been released.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/15/ferguson-seattleprotest.html

Darren Wilson, who has had no previous infractions in his six years of service.

And is not the same person as Darren Wilson, the 15 year veteran from St Louis and chairman of the Ethical Society for Police.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:51 am

The UK in Exile wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
I trust the police version. I don't get where people get the idea that the people in blue are robots shooting black people remorselessly.


from the news?


Most stories always have some from of escalation, in this one they are claiming this guy just shot him point blank for apparently no reason in a public space. Yea right.

Mavorpen wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:I trust the police version.

Good for you?


Likewise.

Merizoc wrote:Name of the officer has been released.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/15/ferguson-seattleprotest.html

Darren Wilson, who has had no previous infractions in his six years of service.


I hope he is getting help.

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:53 am

Vamtrl wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
from the news?


Most stories always have some from of escalation, in this one they are claiming this guy just shot him point blank for apparently no reason in a public space. Yea right.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:04 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Most stories always have some from of escalation, in this one they are claiming this guy just shot him point blank for apparently no reason in a public space. Yea right.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity


Unmoved. :roll:

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:23 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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His friend, an unreliable witness like his family who claimed their son was innocent. Turned out he wasnt.

Sorry, but there was more than one witness.



except your own source says they didn't witness the shooting, just the initial confrontation.

and actually the second witness completely refutes the first witness. Yup, open and shut case. :roll:
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:26 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
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and they are where?


Given the local time of 13:39 and an ambient temperature of 29 degrees centigrade, I would hazard a guess that they are either at work or out in a park somewhere.


so in other words, you're just bullshitting and have no idea who saw what?

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Postby America Libertaria » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:27 pm

This is part of a larger issue of police brutality that really needs to be addressed in the United States. However, I also feel race was a part of this murder which only makes it worse.

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