Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Ashmoria]

not unless all the violent robbers, thieves, rapists and murderers in the world tomorrow also dropped dead.

You know what they say - once a criminal, always a criminal. And there's a lot of truth to that - most criminals in the western world are not one-time offenders but repeat offenders. They are people who seem to think a bit like Julian, Ricky and Bubbles in Trailer Park boys - that crime is normal, and that the world will just regenerate more wealth for them to siphon away.

that's not true.

most young offenders grow up and fly right. that's why we have a juvenile justice system so that one mistake doesn't ruin a kids life.

[The UK in Exile]

not unless all the violent robbers, thieves, rapists and murderers in the world tomorrow also dropped dead.

You know what they say - once a criminal, always a criminal. And there's a lot of truth to that - most criminals in the western world are not one-time offenders but repeat offenders. They are people who seem to think a bit like Julian, Ricky and Bubbles in Trailer Park boys - that crime is normal, and that the world will just regenerate more wealth for them to siphon away.

presumably at least some criminals are first time offenders. Or have we entered some crazy Judge Dredd comic where since all crime is committed by the living, living is itself a crime?

[Calisu]

You know what they say - once a criminal, always a criminal. And there's a lot of truth to that - most criminals in the western world are not one-time offenders but repeat offenders. They are people who seem to think a bit like Julian, Ricky and Bubbles in Trailer Park boys - that crime is normal, and that the world will just regenerate more wealth for them to siphon away.

presumably at least some criminals are first time offenders. Or have we entered some crazy Judge Dredd comic where since all crime is committed by the living, living is itself a crime?

Strong Armed robbery is not a first time offence.

[The UK in Exile]

different days mean different people

after the first night with rioting and looting it was reasonable to have stronger responses at the ready. instead they came at peaceful protestor with armored vehicles with men on the roof pointing rifles at innocent citizens.

that's so wrong that saying its wrong isn't strong enough.

They were first deployed during the night of rioting and stayed into the morning, so it's not unreasonable. Plus, I don't see the problem with taking some precautions after a massive riot.

Because the quickest way to start a second one is to use excessive force on people who are peacefully protesting.

[Quintium]

he stole some freaking cigars and pushed the employee around to do it. geez where do YOU live that young men don't do stupid things like this?

It was a violent robbery. He told the employee - who might not have realised Brown's intentions - to put a bunch of boxes of cigars on the counter. As the employee was gathering them, Brown started handing them over to Johnson, preparing to run away. When the employee remarked that he still had to pay for it, Brown attacked him and threw him around. Then, Brown tried to escape and - in the process - used more physical violence as the door had been shut by employees who were waiting for the police to arrive.

That's not shoplifting, that's robbery. Violent robbery.

[Ashmoria]

he stole some freaking cigars and pushed the employee around to do it. geez where do YOU live that young men don't do stupid things like this?

if the kid hadn't been killed there would be a thread about sending him to jail. Violent robbery isn't a one off case.

if he hadn't been killed, or shot, he would have been taken to jail, gotten some kind of probation, and we never would have known about it because its too trivial to make the news.

[The UK in Exile]

presumably at least some criminals are first time offenders. Or have we entered some crazy Judge Dredd comic where since all crime is committed by the living, living is itself a crime?

Strong Armed robbery is not a first time offence.

Oh, so we are in a Judge Dredd comic where since all crime is committed by the living, living is itself a crime.

[Quintium]

presumably at least some criminals are first time offenders. Or have we entered some crazy Judge Dredd comic where since all crime is committed by the living, living is itself a crime?

Sure, some are first time offenders. However, most are repeat offenders. That's just the way it is.
Most crime in a society is committed by a relatively small group of repeat offenders.

[Ashmoria]

he stole some freaking cigars and pushed the employee around to do it. geez where do YOU live that young men don't do stupid things like this?

It was a violent robbery. He told the employee - who might not have realised Brown's intentions - to put a bunch of boxes of cigars on the counter. As the employee was gathering them, Brown started handing them over to Johnson, preparing to run away. When the employee remarked that he still had to pay for it, Brown attacked him and threw him around. Then, Brown tried to escape and - in the process - used more physical violence as the door had been shut by employees who were waiting for the police to arrive.

That's not shoplifting, that's robbery. Violent robbery.

yeah I just watched the video on tv. he pushed the guy around and left the store with merchandise he didn't pay for.

SO WHAT?

[Organized States]

They were first deployed during the night of rioting and stayed into the morning, so it's not unreasonable. Plus, I don't see the problem with taking some precautions after a massive riot.

Because the quickest way to start a second one is to use excessive force on people who are peacefully protesting.

Excessive force? They didn't use the vehicles for excessive force. They just sat there for hours on end. Only really the tear gas and the LRADs were used against some of the rioters that showed up.

[Quintium]

yeah I just watched the video on tv. he pushed the guy around and left the store with merchandise he didn't pay for.

SO WHAT?

So, he was a violent criminal, and not the gentle giant he's made out to be in the media.
He did do sumfing, even though the people around him - at least one of them also involved in that robbery - said he didn't do nuffin.

[Ashmoria]

yeah I just watched the video on tv. he pushed the guy around and left the store with merchandise he didn't pay for.

SO WHAT?

So, he was a violent criminal, and not the gentle giant he's made out to be in the media.
He did do sumfing, even though the people around him - at least one of them also involved in that robbery - said he didn't do nuffin.

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

[Calisu]

So, he was a violent criminal, and not the gentle giant he's made out to be in the media.
He did do sumfing, even though the people around him - at least one of them also involved in that robbery - said he didn't do nuffin.

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

>implying a dogs life is worth as much as a human life

[The UK in Exile]

Because the quickest way to start a second one is to use excessive force on people who are peacefully protesting.

Excessive force? They didn't use the vehicles for excessive force. They just sat there for hours on end. Only really the tear gas and the LRADs were used against some of the rioters that showed up.

Also Journalists. Or everyone really.

[Mavorpen]

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

>implying a dogs life is worth as much as a human life

Uh, no, that's not what he was implying. He's implying the OPPOSITE.

[Quintium]

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

That's not what I was talking about, though. I was talking about the fact that he's made out in the media to be a little angel while he was a suspect in a violent robbery at that time.

[Ashmoria]

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

>implying a dogs life is worth as much as a human life

shouldn't a man's life be worth as much as a dog's life?

[Calisu]

>implying a dogs life is worth as much as a human life

shouldn't a man's life be worth as much as a dog's life?

No. A human life is worth much more than an animals life.

[Ashmoria]

he was shot dead in the street and left to die without the cop even checking to see if he was still alive. you wouldn't do that to a DOG you hit with your car!

That's not what I was talking about, though. I was talking about the fact that he's made out in the media to be a little angel while he was a suspect in a violent robbery at that time.

*shrug*

I don't expect anyone to be perfect. there probably isn't anyone you couldn't find something bad about.

[Organized States]

Excessive force? They didn't use the vehicles for excessive force. They just sat there for hours on end. Only really the tear gas and the LRADs were used against some of the rioters that showed up.

Also Journalists. Or everyone really.

I don't get Al Jazeera any more (damned cable), so I didn't get to see their reporter decide stand in a cloud of tear gas.

[Calisu]

>implying a dogs life is worth as much as a human life

Uh, no, that's not what he was implying. He's implying the OPPOSITE.

You sure?

shouldn't a man's life be worth as much as a dog's life?

[Mavorpen]

Uh, no, that's not what he was implying. He's implying the OPPOSITE.

You sure?

shouldn't a man's life be worth as much as a dog's life?

Yes, I'm sure. He's saying that Brown was treated LESS than a dog and that if you wouldn't do what was done to Brown to a dog, then what happened to Brown shouldn't have happened.

Really, his point is NOT difficult to understand.

[Ice Cold Pepsi]

And yet again, they feel the need to mention the race of a black person when they are murdered. But when a white or any other race is murdered, they don't get a fucking mention.

Hopefully the police shoot the rioters.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

I wonder what Vladimir Putin is thinking about all this civil unrest.

[Calisu]

You sure?

Yes, I'm sure. He's saying that Brown was treated LESS than a dog and that if you wouldn't do what was done to Brown to a dog, then what happened to Brown shouldn't have happened.

Really, his point is NOT difficult to understand.

Clearly it is when you drew that conclusion from him actually saying "shouldn't a man's life be worth as much as a dog's life?"