Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Condunum]

So you don't have to intend to kill to own a firearm. Glad we cleared that up.

I never said you did.

*huge cough*

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

[Fartsniffage]

I never said you did.

*huge cough*

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

Yes?

[Big Jim P]

*huge cough*

Yes?

Your earlier statement is contradicted by your later statement.

[Kouralia]

It's possible to own a gun not for self defence.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes?

Your earlier statement is contradicted by your later statement.

In what way?

[Germanic Templars]

It's possible to own a gun not for self defence.

Or to place up for decoration

[Big Jim P]

Your earlier statement is contradicted by your later statement.

In what way?

First you say that if you own a gun for self defense you are planning to kill:

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

Then you deny saying that if you own a gun for self defense, you are planning on killing:

So you don't have to intend to kill to own a firearm. Glad we cleared that up.

I never said you did.

[Fartsniffage]

In what way?

First you say that if you own a gun for self defense you are planning to kill:

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

Then you deny saying that if you own a gun for self defense, you are planning on killing:

I never said you did.

Are all guns owned for self defence?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

First you say that if you own a gun for self defense you are planning to kill:



Then you deny saying that if you own a gun for self defense, you are planning on killing:

Are all guns owned for self defence?

No.

Some are specifically made and bought for competitions.

[Fartsniffage]

Are all guns owned for self defence?

No.

Some are specifically made and bought for competitions.

Crazy, huh?

It's almost like I said what I meant and the words used were important and others are trying to twist my words...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Speaking of guns, The Daily Beast asks a pertinent quesiton: Where is the NRA is the middle of all of this? Why aren't they standing up for the rights of the citizens of Ferguson to defend themselves against heavy-handed tactics by the local government?

[Grinning Dragon]

A bit more has come out and looks like the onus is being placed at Brown's feet for the escalation leading to his death.
more here

[MERIZoC]

Speaking of guns, The Daily Beast asks a pertinent quesiton: Where is the NRA is the middle of all of this? Why aren't they standing up for the rights of the citizens of Ferguson to defend themselves against heavy-handed tactics by the local government?

Because the NRA isn't actually pro gun rights, but pro corporate interests. That, and there are hardly any black people in the NRA, so race-connected issues won't receive much attention.

[MERIZoC]

A bit more has come out and looks like the onus is being placed at Brown's feet for the escalation leading to his death.
more here

You'll excuse me if I'm slightly distrustful of a source from the police, especially with eyewitness reports that say Brown was shot while running away, and then surrendering.

[Mavorpen]

A bit more has come out and looks like the onus is being placed at Brown's feet for the escalation leading to his death.
more here

You'll excuse me if I'm slightly distrustful of a source from the police, especially with eyewitness reports that say Brown was shot while running away, and then surrendering.

That, and I still find it really hard to believe that any person would sincerely say "What, you're going to shoot me?" and then charge at a cop with a gun. Unless, of course, they're extremely intoxicated or suicidal. And since there's no evidence of either of those being true...

[Geilinor]

It's possible to own a gun not for self defence.

Or to place up for decoration

Yes, but self-defense is one of the most compelling reasons because it can involve defending human lives.

[Geilinor]

You'll excuse me if I'm slightly distrustful of a source from the police, especially with eyewitness reports that say Brown was shot while running away, and then surrendering.

That, and I still find it really hard to believe that any person would sincerely say "What, you're going to shoot me?" and then charge at a cop with a gun. Unless, of course, they're extremely intoxicated or suicidal. And since there's no evidence of either of those being true...

I don't believe it either. If Brown really was after the cop's gun, he wouldn't have been surprised that the cop was pointing his gun at him.

[Mavorpen]

That, and I still find it really hard to believe that any person would sincerely say "What, you're going to shoot me?" and then charge at a cop with a gun. Unless, of course, they're extremely intoxicated or suicidal. And since there's no evidence of either of those being true...

I don't believe it either. If Brown really was after the cop's gun, he wouldn't have been surprised that the cop was pointing his gun at him.

It would also raise the question of why he'd have bothered running away in the first place.

[Big Jim P]

No.

Some are specifically made and bought for competitions.

Crazy, huh?

It's almost like I said what I meant and the words used were important and others are trying to twist my words...

I will concede your point. However, buying/owning a gun fro self defense still does not mean one is planning to kill. Just that one is prepared to if necessary.

[Condunum]

Crazy, huh?

It's almost like I said what I meant and the words used were important and others are trying to twist my words...

I will concede your point. However, buying/owning a gun fro self defense still does not mean one is planning to kill. Just that one is prepared to if necessary.

Yeah, this. I made a slight language boo boo, my intent was to point out that Fartsniffage's earlier statement was 100% false.

[Spreewerke]

I saw no replies to my previous, so perhaps this is a waste of my time again, but here goes: I had a long day and need some sort of relief.

Source any time a gun has been used that hasn't resulted in death or injury

Here's a picture of me firing a Short Magazine Lee Enfield #4 rifle last year, live, on a British Army range.

Fortunately I didn't hit anyone - thus no injury or death occurred.

You look Britisher than I remembered. It almost makes me want to get an SMLE for mad-minute practice, but I don't want to stock .303 Brit. for the sole purpose of blowing through it as quickly as possible.

Having gone through the Armys basic training, including the gas chamber, I can assure you it is not lethal.

The term you're looking for is less lethal. Even so, it's fucking ridiculous that the police can use weapons on civilians that can't be used against enemies in wartime.

The military may not be able to use it, but do you know who can?

Civilians.

Just like TASERs!

Does anyone here have an issue with the cops using military equipment?

I understand why they use it (free/super-cheap surplus is way less expensive than new everything), but at the same time, even I feel weird seeing it. It made my skin crawl at the academy to hear them mention that "this is a paramilitary organization." They were referring to rank structure and uniform code, granted, but just hearing that sat funny with me.

Yes. Whether or not this was about race in the beginning, it has worsened racial tensions now. Whether or not brow was murdered, it has further divided the public from those policing them. Many people now do not trust the police, and this just furthers that distrust.

As a black man I would like you to stop referring to us a different race. We are human whether you like it or not.

>calls cop racist
>says race doesn't exist

"As a black man?" Does that somehow justify your opinion over mine? A white male who is also part Native-American? Are you morally higher than myself simply because some white guy I had never even met, heard of, or seen shot some black guy you had never met, heard of, or seen? Is the cop automatically guilty of murder now? Is the suspect suddenly "just a boy who never did anything wrong"?

Your posts are racist.

Earth is home to a wide diversity of ethnic (aka racial) groups, all of whom are human.

Yet blacks are the only ones murdered by cops

Double-edged blades cut both ways.

http://kutv.com/news/top-stories/storie ... 3131.shtml

Black officer shot an unarmed black man ON AUGUST 11TH, 2014 and he was wearing a body camera.

Source that 1: Brown was murdered. I would prefer court records) and 2, that every person murdered by a cop was black.

Source any time a gun has been used that hasn't resulted in death or injury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA8I5ADd4Mk

Me at the shooting range with my AR15M4. Killed no one and perfectly legal.

So you're just practising for murder?

I involve myself in what I refer to as living history. I don't reenact, per se, but I do learn the history behind everything I have.

Assume much?

No, I am simply shooting a rifle for past time at a target down range.

Guns are built to kill if guns didn't exist Brown would be in jail for strong armed robbery not dead in a street.

How would he be in jail for armed robbery if he was unarmed.

[Blackledge]

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department released cell phone footage Wednesday of the police shooting of Kajieme Powell, a 25-year-old black man killed on Tuesday in St. Louis, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

A convenience store owner called 911 on Tuesday when he suspected Powell stole drinks and donuts from his shop, according to a recording of the call. Another woman called to report Powell was acting erratically and had a knife in his pocket.

Two officers in a police SUV responded to the calls, the cell phone video shows. When the officers got out of their vehicle, Powell walked in their direction, yelling and telling them to shoot him already.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Tuesday that both of the officers opened fire on Powell when he came within a three or four feet of them holding a knife "in an overhand grip."

But the newly released cell phone footage undermines the statement, showing Powell approaching the cops, but not coming as close as was reported, with his hands at his side. The officers began shooting within 15 seconds of their arrival, hitting Powell with a barrage of bullets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNSko4-qYvM

Oops, the police did it again. But now they're acting with transparency, they say, by releasing the footage upfront.

What's disturbing is that the police involved seemingly lied about the shooting, and the video footage proves it.

I definitely think something is fishy in St Louis, and needs to be cleaned out. I mean the Huffington post says it all, they started shooting within seconds of arrival. Why not zap the guy with a taser?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department released cell phone footage Wednesday of the police shooting of Kajieme Powell, a 25-year-old black man killed on Tuesday in St. Louis, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

A convenience store owner called 911 on Tuesday when he suspected Powell stole drinks and donuts from his shop, according to a recording of the call. Another woman called to report Powell was acting erratically and had a knife in his pocket.

Two officers in a police SUV responded to the calls, the cell phone video shows. When the officers got out of their vehicle, Powell walked in their direction, yelling and telling them to shoot him already.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Tuesday that both of the officers opened fire on Powell when he came within a three or four feet of them holding a knife "in an overhand grip."

But the newly released cell phone footage undermines the statement, showing Powell approaching the cops, but not coming as close as was reported, with his hands at his side. The officers began shooting within 15 seconds of their arrival, hitting Powell with a barrage of bullets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNSko4-qYvM

Oops, the police did it again. But now they're acting with transparency, they say, by releasing the footage upfront.

What's disturbing is that the police involved seemingly lied about the shooting, and the video footage proves it.

I definitely think something is fishy in St Louis, and needs to be cleaned out. I mean the Huffington post says it all, they started shooting within seconds of arrival. Why not zap the guy with a taser?

Cuz who needs taser's amirite? Just shoot him a hundred times.

[Spreewerke]

>implying every officer in the United States is TASER certified.

[Farnhamia]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNSko4-qYvM

Oops, the police did it again. But now they're acting with transparency, they say, by releasing the footage upfront.

What's disturbing is that the police involved seemingly lied about the shooting, and the video footage proves it.

I definitely think something is fishy in St Louis, and needs to be cleaned out. I mean the Huffington post says it all, they started shooting within seconds of arrival. Why not zap the guy with a taser?

Cuz who needs taser's amirite? Just shoot him a hundred times.

If you read the article, the guy brandished a knife, refused to put it down when ordered to do so and basically committed suicide by cop.