Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Geilinor]

This right here is flamebait. I understand that this is an emotional topic but refrain from baiting other players. You appear to be new so I'll let you off with an unofficial warning, I suggest you take some time to cool off and read the site rules.

You're right. I forgot all the houses guns built and diseases cured. I was focusing solely on the fact they exist to kill.

Target shooting doesn't mean you're preparing to kill someone.

[Mallorea and Riva]

This right here is flamebait. I understand that this is an emotional topic but refrain from baiting other players. You appear to be new so I'll let you off with an unofficial warning, I suggest you take some time to cool off and read the site rules.

You're right. I forgot all the houses guns built and diseases cured. I was focusing solely on the fact they exist to kill.

If you wish to appeal what is now a full warning please take it to moderation.

[Kouralia]

Oh I agree, but it still points to a problem. Rioting should never happen. It isn't an answer, makes people question the side the rioters are supporting, and in general only causes harm.

Still, using chemical weapons to solve the rioting is just disgusting.

Why?

You know CS gas isn't illegal in war because it's bad. It's illegal because a simple blanket ban means that no-one can weasel around any categorisation, thus preventing escalation.

Rioters can't escalate and drop nerve gas on the police.

[Geilinor]

Oh I agree, but it still points to a problem. Rioting should never happen. It isn't an answer, makes people question the side the rioters are supporting, and in general only causes harm.

Still, using chemical weapons to solve the rioting is just disgusting.

It's the only thing the police can do. They can't try to taze the rioters when hundreds of people are charging forward.

[Big Jim P]

You're right. I forgot all the houses guns built and diseases cured. I was focusing solely on the fact they exist to kill.

Target shooting doesn't mean you're preparing to kill someone.

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

[Kouralia]

Target shooting doesn't mean you're preparing to kill someone.

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

I have an air rifle. Does that count as an indication that I plan to make incompetent, and largely ineffectual attempts on people's lives?

[Germanic Templars]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

I have an air rifle. Does that count as an indication that I plan to make incompetent, and largely ineffectual attempts on people's lives?

Only if it looks real enough and you go waving it around a Walmart, pointing at people's faces, then maybe.

[DesAnges]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

I have an air rifle. Does that count as an indication that I plan to make incompetent, and largely ineffectual attempts on people's lives?

Well, yes. You are British, after all - Mr Bean is inside of all of us.

I'd watch it. Edit: Actually, I already have. That's what Johnny English is.

[Big Jim P]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

I have an air rifle. Does that count as an indication that I plan to make incompetent, and largely ineffectual attempts on people's lives?

Sad to say, but there are probably some people out there who think so.

[Fartsniffage]

Target shooting doesn't mean you're preparing to kill someone.

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

[Kouralia]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I own one for target shooting.

OH NOES

Not the poor figure elevens!

[Washington Resistance Army]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I own a couple guns, what am I planning?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

Thats the dumbest thing I have ever read, of all time. (Today)

[Fartsniffage]

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I own a couple guns, what am I planning?

How would I know?

[Fartsniffage]

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I own one for target shooting.

OH NOES

Not the poor figure elevens!

What do you have?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I don't own a gun, but I do own a fire extinguisher. Am I planning on having a house fire?

[Condunum]

Target shooting doesn't mean you're preparing to kill someone.

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

Obviously, the fact that I just came back from the range means I was planning on using my rifle to kill.

Admittedly it's a .270 and could take an arm off a small person, but I just like the stress relief and zoning in on my shot.

[Condunum]

To some people, merely having a gun is an indication that you are planning to kill.

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

Having a significant advantage over home invaders is indeed a legitimate purpose of owning a gun. So is owning a gun with the intent to kill, so long as the killing is legal.

[Fartsniffage]

If you own a gun for self defence, then you are planning to kill.

I don't own a gun, but I do own a fire extinguisher. Am I planning on having a house fire?

I assume that if you are in a situation of having to use the fire extinguisher then you're planning to use it in the appropriate fashion. Check that it's the correct sort of extinguisher for the fire type, pull the pin, aim it at the base of the fire and release the contents until the fire is clearly out or you run out and have to evacuate to safety.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't own a gun, but I do own a fire extinguisher. Am I planning on having a house fire?

I assume that if you are in a situation of having to use the fire extinguisher then you're planning to use it in the appropriate fashion. Check that it's the correct sort of extinguisher for the fire type, pull the pin, aim it at the base of the fire and release the contents until the fire is clearly out or you run out and have to evacuate to safety.

Yes, once we had oxygen tanks in the house we learned all about that. My point is that being prepared for an eventuality doesn't mean that you're planning for that eventuality. A willingness to use a device if necessary is not a plan to eventually use said device.

[Fartsniffage]

I assume that if you are in a situation of having to use the fire extinguisher then you're planning to use it in the appropriate fashion. Check that it's the correct sort of extinguisher for the fire type, pull the pin, aim it at the base of the fire and release the contents until the fire is clearly out or you run out and have to evacuate to safety.

Yes, once we had oxygen tanks in the house we learned all about that. My point is that being prepared for an eventuality doesn't mean that you're planning for that eventuality. A willingness to use a device if necessary is not a plan to eventually use said device.

And my point is that the appropriate way to use a firearm in self defence may include pulling the trigger, an act that can easily kill.

If you aren't prepared to do that, or haven't considered the potential of having to do that, then all you're going to do is escalate the situation and possibly give a firearm to a criminal.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, once we had oxygen tanks in the house we learned all about that. My point is that being prepared for an eventuality doesn't mean that you're planning for that eventuality. A willingness to use a device if necessary is not a plan to eventually use said device.

And my point is that the appropriate way to use a firearm in self defence may include pulling the trigger, an act that can easily kill.

If you aren't prepared to do that, or haven't considered the potential of having to do that, then all you're going to do is escalate the situation and possibly give a firearm to a criminal.

The manner in which you were expressing it made it sound as if owning a gun meant that you had a plan to kill someone. That's true only if you stretch the definition of "plan" to an uncomfortable length. Owning a gun means (hopefully) that you are prepared to use it in the case of an immediate threat to life or limb from another person. The manner in which you phrased it made it sound as if you were saying that anyone who owns a gun intends to kill a person. No context was given regarding life or death situations.

[Condunum]

Yes, once we had oxygen tanks in the house we learned all about that. My point is that being prepared for an eventuality doesn't mean that you're planning for that eventuality. A willingness to use a device if necessary is not a plan to eventually use said device.

And my point is that the appropriate way to use a firearm in self defence may include pulling the trigger, an act that can easily kill.

If you aren't prepared to do that, or haven't considered the potential of having to do that, then all you're going to do is escalate the situation and possibly give a firearm to a criminal.

So you don't have to intend to kill to own a firearm. Glad we cleared that up.

[Fartsniffage]

And my point is that the appropriate way to use a firearm in self defence may include pulling the trigger, an act that can easily kill.

If you aren't prepared to do that, or haven't considered the potential of having to do that, then all you're going to do is escalate the situation and possibly give a firearm to a criminal.

The manner in which you were expressing it made it sound as if owning a gun meant that you had a plan to kill someone. That's true only if you stretch the definition of "plan" to an uncomfortable length. Owning a gun means (hopefully) that you are prepared to use it in the case of an immediate threat to life or limb from another person. The manner in which you phrased it made it sound as if you were saying that anyone who owns a gun intends to kill a person. No context was given regarding life or death situations.

Odd, I thought I was quite specific about stating that if one owns a gun for self defence then it was valid.

[Fartsniffage]

And my point is that the appropriate way to use a firearm in self defence may include pulling the trigger, an act that can easily kill.

If you aren't prepared to do that, or haven't considered the potential of having to do that, then all you're going to do is escalate the situation and possibly give a firearm to a criminal.

So you don't have to intend to kill to own a firearm. Glad we cleared that up.

I never said you did.