Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Big Jim P]

Some of your officers and some of your civilians do, but last I looked, Ferguson wasn't in Britain.

Yeah well I don't live in Ferguson do I?

No. but the incident in question happened there.

[Ravenflight]

I guess in you US you don't have innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, my god. I can't even bring myself to respond to this.

What, you shouldn't shot someone if your not certain.

[Ravenflight]

Of course we have guns in Britain. We just outfit our police in more tasteful hues.

Indeed. Those uniforms certainly look better than ours.

They're hunting for someone look at the URL

[Allanea]

Oh, my god. I can't even bring myself to respond to this.

What, you shouldn't shot someone if your not certain.

Let me restate:

Self-defense is not a form of punishment.

It's fully possible for an entirely innocent man to be killed in legitimate self-defense.

Self-defense (in most countries) hinges on the defendant having reasonable grounds to belief he is poised under threat of life and limb. This does not necessarily mean that the attacker deserves to die, or would be guilty of a crime in a court of law.

For example, a person aiming an airsoft gun at a police officer can get shot, and then it will be discovered he is innocent - but the shooting is still self-defense.

There is not - anywhere in the world - a death penalty for pushing a store attendant in the chest and walking away with cigars. Not even in Saudi Arabia.

On the other hand, if indeed it is true that Brown was physically struggling with the officer, then it may be that the officer is not guilty of murder.

[Big Jim P]

Oh, my god. I can't even bring myself to respond to this.

What, you shouldn't shot someone if your not certain.

Already covered (and covered well):

Self-defense is not a form of punishment.

It's fully possible for an entirely innocent man to be killed in legitimate self-defense.

Self-defense (in most countries) hinges on the defendant having reasonable grounds to belief he is poised under threat of life and limb. This does not necessarily mean that the attacker deserves to die, or would be guilty of a crime in a court of law.

For example, a person aiming an airsoft gun at a police officer can get shot, and then it will be discovered he is innocent - but the shooting is still self-defense.

There is not - anywhere in the world - a death penalty for pushing a store attendant in the chest and walking away with cigars. Not even in Saudi Arabia.

On the other hand, if indeed it is true that Brown was physically struggling with the officer, then it may be that the officer is not guilty of murder.

[Ravenflight]

Indeed. Those uniforms certainly look better than ours.

They're hunting for someone look at the URL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Nort ... ce_manhunt

[Big Jim P]

What, you shouldn't shot someone if your not certain.

Let me restate:

Self-defense is not a form of punishment.

It's fully possible for an entirely innocent man to be killed in legitimate self-defense.

Self-defense (in most countries) hinges on the defendant having reasonable grounds to belief he is poised under threat of life and limb. This does not necessarily mean that the attacker deserves to die, or would be guilty of a crime in a court of law.

For example, a person aiming an airsoft gun at a police officer can get shot, and then it will be discovered he is innocent - but the shooting is still self-defense.

There is not - anywhere in the world - a death penalty for pushing a store attendant in the chest and walking away with cigars. Not even in Saudi Arabia.

On the other hand, if indeed it is true that Brown was physically struggling with the officer, then it may be that the officer is not guilty of murder.

You ninja'd me.

[Organized States]

Oh, my god. I can't even bring myself to respond to this.

What, you shouldn't shot someone if your not certain.

You shoot someone if you believe they hold a significant threat to yourself.

Have you even read one of my goddamned responses?

[Ravenflight]

Unless you can show me a video of Mike Brown TRY TO KILL THE OFFICER, I do not believe its self defense.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Ravenflight: If you wish to contribute to the discussion, by all means, do so. If you're only here to toss out trite snarkery, this may not be the place for you. Thanks.

[Allanea]

Unless you can show me a video of Mike Brown TRY TO KILL THE OFFICER, I do not believe its self defense.

Self-defense is not limtied to someone deliberately trying to kill you. Especially not if you are a police officer.

[Ravenflight]

Ravenflight: If you wish to contribute to the discussion, by all means, do so. If you're only here to toss out trite snarkery, this may not be the place for you. Thanks.

Right fine. If you want me to rant about freedom of speech and assembly I will happily do so.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Ravenflight: If you wish to contribute to the discussion, by all means, do so. If you're only here to toss out trite snarkery, this may not be the place for you. Thanks.

Right fine. If you want me to rant about freedom of speech and assembly I will happily do so.

No, I'd rather you not sit around deliberately ignoring other posts while throwing your own repeatedly in the faces of others in as dismissive a way as you can manage. It's discussion here. Discuss. Don't just snark.

[Calisu]

I would like some evidence that Brown attacked or attempted to attack the officer that didn't come from the officers mouth.

[Organized States]

Ravenflight: If you wish to contribute to the discussion, by all means, do so. If you're only here to toss out trite snarkery, this may not be the place for you. Thanks.

Right fine. If you want me to rant about freedom of speech and assembly I will happily do so.

Don't need too. The Police Captain in charge is telling the protesters that they are perfectly allowed to demonstrate, just those who fire upon police officers and National Guardsmen, and attempt to assault them will be arrested.

[Ravenflight]

Right fine. If you want me to rant about freedom of speech and assembly I will happily do so.

No, I'd rather you not sit around deliberately ignoring other posts while throwing your own repeatedly in the faces of others in as dismissive a way as you can manage. It's discussion here. Discuss. Don't just snark.

You win. I don't want to get banned so you win. *puts hands up* I give up. You have pissed me off so much that I just can't do this anymore. THANK YOU!

[Calisu]

Right fine. If you want me to rant about freedom of speech and assembly I will happily do so.

Don't need too. The Police Captain in charge is telling the protesters that they are perfectly allowed to demonstrate, just those who fire upon police officers and National Guardsmen, and attempt to assault them will be arrested.

Shooting at someone is attempted murder and should be charged as such.

[Kouralia]

Of course we have guns in Britain. We just outfit our police in more tasteful hues.

Indeed. Those uniforms certainly look better than ours.

For a country so contemporarily and historically opposed to militarisation of the police and/or oppression through the military, I always find it amusing to see US police forces buying things like multi-terrain pattern or UCP uniforms.

They're hunting for someone look at the URL

And here's a British Police officer at a Leeds City Neighbourhood Policing Team (NPT) Open Day.

[Organized States]

I would like some evidence that Brown attacked or attempted to attack the officer that didn't come from the officers mouth.

Other witnesses have stated they did see I struggle if I remember correctly. Let me find it.


Also, Kour, at least it's only UCP

[Kouralia]

I would like some evidence that Brown attacked or attempted to attack the officer that didn't come from the officers mouth.

Other witnesses have stated they did see I struggle if I remember correctly. Let me find it.


Also, Kour, at least it's only UCP

'only'

[L Ron Cupboard]

Time to ban cigars before anybody else goes on a cigar-fuelled rampage of mayhem and death.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Let's keep this on topic, please? This is not 'show off your local cop colors' time.

[Calisu]

Let's keep this on topic, please? This is not 'show off your local cop colors' time.

It is kind of on topic, someone said it wouldn't have happened in Britain because cops don't carry guns.

[Kouralia]

Let's keep this on topic, please? This is not 'show off your local cop colors' time.

I'm just pointing out that (what I assume is) Ravenflight's belief that the UK Police are entirely unarmed is incorrect, which is slightly relevant to his stance on whether Officer Wilson should have been armed with live rounds.

But yeah, the UCP pic. wasn't relevant, I won't repeat that.

[Ravenflight]

Let's keep this on topic, please? This is not 'show off your local cop colors' time.

I'm just pointing out that (what I assume is) Ravenflight's belief that the UK Police are entirely unarmed is incorrect, which is slightly relevant to his stance on whether Officer Wilson should have been armed with live rounds.

But yeah, the UCP pic. wasn't relevant, I won't repeat that.

No I don't!