Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Kouralia]

There are many countries outside of the US that aren't Britain.

Its just by the looks of the British are defending him and the Americans are saying its all wrong.

Defending who?

There's two people who are being defended and attacked here: the black teen who was videoed robbing a shop, and the white police officer who subsequently shot him.

[Ravenflight]

Its just by the looks of the British are defending him and the Americans are saying its all wrong.

Defending who?

There's two people who are being defended and attacked here: the black teen who was videoed robbing a shop, and the white police officer who subsequently shot him.

Please look at my flag.

[Kelinfort]

I'm aware that the officer didn't know.

Under US law, he's a suspect. He wasn't convicted, therefore, not guilty until proven otherwise, and decided upon by a Jury of his peers.

If Brown was rushing the officer, then whether or not he was a suspect is irrelevant.

That's a big if and will require more analysis and evidence to be determined.

[Big Jim P]

Fast court system, eh?

I'd just thought it was rioting at the moment while the police investigated, I hadn't realised the trial was completed and he'd been found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers.

I forgot a jury of his peers defines whether Brown is dead or not!

A jury of peers is necessary for it to be considered murder.

[Big Jim P]

If Brown was rushing the officer, then whether or not he was a suspect is irrelevant.

That's a big if and will require more analysis and evidence to be determined.

Indeed. Not surprisingly we have two contradictory accounts of what happened. Which is accurate?

[Calisu]

How am I defending him? He should be in jail not dead.

Thats still better than what state he is in.

Being "not dead" is better than being dead? You don't say!

[Big Jim P]

Its just by the looks of the British are defending him and the Americans are saying its all wrong.

How am I defending him? He should be in jail not dead.

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

[Ravenflight]

Thats still better than what state he is in.

Being "not dead" is better than being dead? You don't say!

Was Mike Brown shot with live rounds? Or was he beaten?

[Ravenflight]

How am I defending him? He should be in jail not dead.

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

Yes but people say he didn't

[Big Jim P]

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

Yes but people say he didn't

Others say he did.

[Ravenflight]

Yes but people say he didn't

Others say he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wlDI6hg18

[Kouralia]

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

Yes but people say he didn't

People also say things which have been contradicted by the autopsy, however.

[Big Jim P]

Being "not dead" is better than being dead? You don't say!

Was Mike Brown shot with live rounds? Or was he beaten?

Cops aren't in the habit of carrying blanks. Of course he was shot with live rounds.

[Calisu]

How am I defending him? He should be in jail not dead.

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

You have been added to my ignore list as you clearly do not see the value of human life. There is absolutely no proof he attacked the officer all we have is the officer's word against that of a black teen.

[Ravenflight]

Was Mike Brown shot with live rounds? Or was he beaten?

Cops aren't in the habit of carrying blanks. Of course he was shot with live rounds.

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

[Big Jim P]

Others say he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wlDI6hg18

Something a little less biased would support your argument better.

[Ravenflight]

Not if he were attacking the officer. Self defense is a legitimate reason to shoot (and likely kill) an assailant.

You have been added to my ignore list as you clearly do not see the value of human life. There is absolutely no proof he attacked the officer all we have is the officer's word against that of a black teen.

Of course he doesn't he's a satanist...thats what they do ^^

[Kouralia]

Cops aren't in the habit of carrying blanks. Of course he was shot with live rounds.

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

Of course we have guns in Britain. We just outfit our police in more tasteful hues.

[Allanea]

Self-defense is not a form of punishment.

It's fully possible for an entirely innocent man to be killed in legitimate self-defense.

Self-defense (in most countries) hinges on the defendant having reasonable grounds to belief he is poised under threat of life and limb. This does not necessarily mean that the attacker deserves to die, or would be guilty of a crime in a court of law.

For example, a person aiming an airsoft gun at a police officer can get shot, and then it will be discovered he is innocent - but the shooting is still self-defense.

There is not - anywhere in the world - a death penalty for pushing a store attendant in the chest and walking away with cigars. Not even in Saudi Arabia.

On the other hand, if indeed it is true that Brown was physically struggling with the officer, then it may be that the officer is not guilty of murder.

[Ravenflight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-wlDI6hg18

Something a little less biased would support your argument better.

Yeah well I'll let you know when I find something.

[Big Jim P]

Cops aren't in the habit of carrying blanks. Of course he was shot with live rounds.

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

Some of your officers and some of your civilians do, but last I looked, Ferguson wasn't in Britain.

[Ravenflight]

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

Of course we have guns in Britain. We just outfit our police in more tasteful hues.

Yeah I've only seen them at airport after the London bombings.

[Organized States]

I'm aware that the officer didn't know.

Under US law, he's a suspect. He wasn't convicted, therefore, not guilty until proven otherwise, and decided upon by a Jury of his peers.

I guess in you US you don't have innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, my god. I can't even bring myself to respond to this.

[Ravenflight]

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

Some of your officers and some of your civilians do, but last I looked, Ferguson wasn't in Britain.

Yeah well I don't live in Ferguson do I?

[Big Jim P]

Sorry we don't have guns in Britain.

Of course we have guns in Britain. We just outfit our police in more tasteful hues.

Indeed. Those uniforms certainly look better than ours.