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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:22 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Organized States wrote:True, that's a quite good comparison here. This is just an example of another issue, exploding into something more (Like the LA Riots).


Really though, destroying ones own community is a reasonable response?


It's making a point that, they hope, will save some of their own lives.

There are also others, of course, for which the destruction is more profitable, and making out like bandits.

I know Anonymous was helping to organize neighbourhood cleanups until the police curfew.
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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:23 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:What is it about "shooting people kills them dead" is it that you don't understand?

Classic. The reality of Brown's actions don't mesh well with your mental image of the situation, so you move the goalposts to something I never said or suggested. That's sad.

The rest of your post was filled with a melodramatic nonsense so I won't dignify it with a real response. Really though, Brown was shot dead six times?

Regarding the case, we know Brown had drugs in his system, we know he was the largest individual present, and we know he was the only one with a history of violence.
Occam's razor would suggest that it was something other than Grand Wizard Wilson decided that day was his day to execute someone publicly.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:24 am

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The Grim Reaper wrote:What is it about "shooting people kills them dead" is it that you don't understand?

The rest of your post was filled with a melodramatic nonsense so I won't dignify it with a real response. Really though, Brown was shot dead six times?


Aw man, you found the fatal flaw that Big Jim P pointed out.

Are you trying to respond to me or just parroting everything someone else tells you?

Also, Occams Razor? Really? Have you ever studied sociology? Or something that isn't high school philosophy?

Occams Razor would dictate that the one with the gun in the motor vehicle is the one who probably had the upper hand.

And if I'm moving the goalposts, please point out where the goalposts were initially, so I or someone else can respond to it tomorrow.
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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:25 am

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Aw man, you found the fatal flaw that Big Jim P pointed out.

Are you trying to respond to me or just parroting everything someone else tells you?

Darren Wilson is standing over my shoulder telling me to vilify Michael Brown on the internet. But, shhhh! Don't tell anyone!

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Postby Organized States » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:25 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Organized States wrote:True, that's a quite good comparison here. This is just an example of another issue, exploding into something more (Like the LA Riots).


Really though, destroying ones own community is a reasonable response?

It never is. And it's quite stupid. But apparently, people have been coming from other parts of the state and the country to do stupid crap (like loot and throw cocktails at cops).
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:27 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Organized States wrote:True, that's a quite good comparison here. This is just an example of another issue, exploding into something more (Like the LA Riots).


Really though, destroying ones own community is a reasonable response?

Angry people do stupid things. The police trying to show force only makes it worse.

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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:28 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:Also, Occams Razor? Really? Have you ever studied sociology? Or something that isn't high school philosophy?

Aww, a poor attempt at a flame?

Occams Razor would dictate that the one with the gun in the motor vehicle is the one who probably had the upper hand.

Well no shit, he did. Brown was lying in a puddle of his own blood. Occam's razor isn't about the upper hand, it's about the fewest assumptions.
You're assuming Wilson, a man with a commended record and no history of racism, decided to murder a teenager for no reason.
I'm assuming Brown, a man with a verified history of assault and with drugs impairing his system, picked a fight he wouldn't win.

Occam's razor that one, bro.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:29 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:What is it about "shooting people kills them dead" is it that you don't understand?

Classic. The reality of Brown's actions don't mesh well with your mental image of the situation, so you move the goalposts to something I never said or suggested. That's sad.

The rest of your post was filled with a melodramatic nonsense so I won't dignify it with a real response. Really though, Brown was shot dead six times?

Regarding the case, we know Brown had drugs in his system, we know he was the largest individual present, and we know he was the only one with a history of violence.
Occam's razor would suggest that it was something other than Grand Wizard Wilson decided that day was his day to execute someone publicly.

Occam's razor is a heuristic not logic. Regardless, his past doesn't matter. The autopsy seems to suggest he was shot at distance several times by the officer. It will take more time and details before we see a bigger picture, but so far, it appears as though the officer was not justified in shooting Brown.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:30 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:Also, Occams Razor? Really? Have you ever studied sociology? Or something that isn't high school philosophy?

Aww, a poor attempt at a flame?

Occams Razor would dictate that the one with the gun in the motor vehicle is the one who probably had the upper hand.

Well no shit, he did. Brown was lying in a puddle of his own blood. Occam's razor isn't about the upper hand, it's about the fewest assumptions.
You're assuming Wilson, a man with a commented record and no history of racism, decided to murder a teenager for no reason.
I'm assuming Brown, a man with a verified history of assault and with drugs impairing his system, picked a fight he wouldn't win.

Occam's razor that one, bro.


The reason is racism. It's a much simpler reason than "Michael Brown happened to get high, and decided to rob a store and assault a police officer because of it, despite the surprising defining historical fact that he hasn't attacked a cop yet".

Also, source the fucking autopsy.

I've asked you once already.
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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:31 am

Kelinfort wrote:Regardless, his past doesn't matter.

It does matter because it establishes his character, and it had only just happened.

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Postby Ravenflight » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:32 am

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:32 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Regardless, his past doesn't matter.

It does matter because it establishes his character, and it had only just happened.


You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Source your autopsy and stop trivializing murder. Surprisingly, dead people aren't the sort of thing people like you to pull shit out of your ass for.

This is the third time I'm asking you to provide evidence.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:33 am

Alright, I think we need to avoid making assumptions about the officer (he's racist/murderer, etc) and Brown (he's a bad criminal, etc).

The investigation into the officer is on-going, as is the DOJ autopsy of Brown, and Brown was only a suspect in the robbery.
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:33 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:It does matter because it establishes his character, and it had only just happened.


You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Source your autopsy and stop trivializing murder. Surprisingly, dead people aren't the sort of thing people like you to pull shit out of your ass for.

Who murdered someone?
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:33 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Regardless, his past doesn't matter.

It does matter because it establishes his character, and it had only just happened.

That's like me saying, "IDF could never have murdered him, he was a good guy who contributes to society, Despite the evidence you in fact murdered that person.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:34 am

Kouralia wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Source your autopsy and stop trivializing murder. Surprisingly, dead people aren't the sort of thing people like you to pull shit out of your ass for.

Who murdered someone?


Officer Wilson murdered Michael Brown.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:34 am

Kouralia wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Source your autopsy and stop trivializing murder. Surprisingly, dead people aren't the sort of thing people like you to pull shit out of your ass for.

Who murdered someone?

I have no idea anymore.
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:35 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Who murdered someone?


Officer Wilson murdered Michael Brown.

Fast court system, eh?

I'd just thought it was rioting at the moment while the police investigated, I hadn't realised the trial was completed and he'd been found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:35 am

Organized States wrote:Alright, I think we need to avoid making assumptions about the officer (he's racist/murderer, etc) and Brown (he's a bad criminal, etc).

The investigation into the officer is on-going, as is the DOJ autopsy of Brown, and Brown was only a suspect in the robbery.

Bumping this up again.
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Postby Ravenflight » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:36 am

Organized States wrote:
Organized States wrote:Alright, I think we need to avoid making assumptions about the officer (he's racist/murderer, etc) and Brown (he's a bad criminal, etc).

The investigation into the officer is on-going, as is the DOJ autopsy of Brown, and Brown was only a suspect in the robbery.

Bumping this up again.

You know Nelson Mandela was viewed as the worst kind of criminal, a terrorist.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:36 am

Kouralia wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Officer Wilson murdered Michael Brown.

Fast court system, eh?

I'd just thought it was rioting at the moment while the police investigated, I hadn't realised the trial was completed and he'd been found guilty of murder by a jury of his peers.


:O

I forgot a jury of his peers defines whether Brown is dead or not!
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:37 am

Ravenflight wrote:
Organized States wrote:Bumping this up again.

You know Nelson Mandela was viewed as the worst kind of criminal, a terrorist.

But he was a terrorist, afaik.
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Postby Organized States » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:37 am

Ravenflight wrote:
Organized States wrote:Bumping this up again.

You know Nelson Mandela was viewed as the worst kind of criminal, a terrorist.

And what does this have to do with anything?
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:39 am

Kouralia wrote:
Ravenflight wrote:You know Nelson Mandela was viewed as the worst kind of criminal, a terrorist.

But he was a terrorist, afaik.


He was, in fact, a terrorist until 2008. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/us-go ... 2D11708787

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Postby Ravenflight » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:39 am

Organized States wrote:
Ravenflight wrote:You know Nelson Mandela was viewed as the worst kind of criminal, a terrorist.

And what does this have to do with anything?

You say he's a bad criminal and so Nelson Mandela was labelled as one too. I'm Mandela broke no crimes besides being black and standing up for what he believed in. And I believe that Mike Brown's only crime was being black.
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