Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Organized States]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/10/cops-shoot-teen.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-rioting-looting-erupts-after-peaceful-vigil-1.2732591


So, NSG, your thoughts on this? Personally, I think we need more details before we can make a judgement on the shooting, though it's despicable that they left his body lying there for 4 hours after he was killed. As for the riots, do you think they will escalate further, or die down soon? Will this be another nationwide debate, like the death of Trayvon Martin?

Why was he in the car in the first place?

We don't know if they were ever there, but supposably it was something about Jaywalking.

[The Grim Reaper]

Why was he in the car in the first place?

The police were lying to save their skin.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/independ ... 1408381747

The autopsy.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Why was he in the car in the first place?

The police were lying to save their skin.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/independ ... 1408381747

The autopsy.

What a source.

A guy paid by Brown's family says it, so it must be so!

Did any of the other autopsies find the same results?

[Organized States]

The police were lying to save their skin.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/independ ... 1408381747

The autopsy.

What a source.

A guy paid by Brown's family says it, so it must be so!

Did any of the other autopsies find the same results?

I believe the DOJ one is still on-going.

[The Grim Reaper]

The police were lying to save their skin.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/independ ... 1408381747

The autopsy.

What a source.

A guy paid by Brown's family says it, so it must be so!

Did any of the other autopsies find the same results?

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/8/17/602 ... al-autopsy

That is the second autopsy (implied by this article - "his story initially said that the federal autopsy would be the second autopsy of Michael Brown. In fact, it's the third. Brown's family also had an autopsy done"), the third is yet to be conducted.

I can find no sources that the first one had any conclusions beyond the location of the gunshot wounds, and that the entry points were from in front and exit points from behind (rereading, this second part isn't right), which is coherent with the eyewitness accounts that Michael Brown had turned to face the police car to surrender. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-19/p ... es/5679864 This was also the second autopsy, hang on.

[Alaizia]

Why was he in the car in the first place?

We don't know if they were ever there, but supposably it was something about Jaywalking.

Well, it's the second public killing of an afro-american in a month or so by the police. I can't see the situation getting fixed in the short term. But it's resolution will probably be pretty violent with a mixture of "police brutality" if the riots continue.

[Israeli Defense Force]

I believe the DOJ one is still on-going.

I'd say we should reserve judgement for that one.

I mean Occam's razor would suggest Brown's assault of Wilson happened.

the idea that Brown was publicly executed during a routine exchange is asinine.

We have video evidence of the fat fuck assaulting someone moments prior, so we can establish that it's well within his nature.

[The Grim Reaper]

I believe the DOJ one is still on-going.

I'd say we should reserve judgement for that one.

I mean Occam's razor would suggest Brown's assault of Wilson happened.

the idea that Brown was publicly executed during a routine exchange is asinine.

We have video evidence of the fat fuck assaulting someone moments prior, so we can establish that it's well within his nature.

Look, just because he's black, doesn't mean that he's more likely to assault someone than a police officer.

One person has been accused of assault, and one person killed someone.

The person accused of assault is dead. The person who killed someone is being protected by the entire police force of Ferguson and the national guard, to the detriment of 60% of the local community.

[Organized States]

We don't know if they were ever there, but supposably it was something about Jaywalking.

Well, it's the second public killing of an afro-american in a month or so by the police. I can't see the situation getting fixed in the short term. But it's resolution will probably be pretty violent with a mixture of "police brutality" if the riots continue.

Wait, there was another?

I don't believe this is the root cause, Ferguson is angry about a number of things, Police disconnect being one of them (others include economics, education, etc). This is just a way to get attention on their issues, plus it helps that this is an election year.

[DesAnges]

Well, it's the second public killing of an afro-american in a month or so by the police. I can't see the situation getting fixed in the short term. But it's resolution will probably be pretty violent with a mixture of "police brutality" if the riots continue.

Wait, there was another?

I don't believe this is the root cause, Ferguson is angry about a number of things, Police disconnect being one of them (others include economics, education, etc). This is just a way to get attention on their issues, plus it helps that this is an election year.

The straw that broke the camel's back.

[Big Jim P]

I believe the DOJ one is still on-going.

I'd say we should reserve judgement for that one.

I mean Occam's razor would suggest Brown's assault of Wilson happened.

the idea that Brown was publicly executed during a routine exchange is asinine.

We have video evidence of the fat fuck assaulting someone moments prior, so we can establish that it's well within his nature.

The person assaulted in the video was much smaller and unarmed however, and bullys rarely take on stronger or armed victims.

[Calisu]

Good to see thee "protesters" are now shooting at cops. This is disgusting the riots were unacceptable this is worse.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Look, just because he's black, doesn't mean that he's more likely to assault someone than a police officer.

He just assaulted and robbed someone and it was caught on camera. His being black doesn't change that, nor did I say or imply anything about it.

[Big Jim P]

Good to see thee "protesters" are now shooting at cops. This is disgusting the riots were unacceptable this is worse.

Indeed.

However, at least they are targeting the possibly guilty parties instead of businesses that had nothing to do with the original shooting. I guess they ran out of unprotected businesses to loot and burn.

[The Grim Reaper]

Look, just because he's black, doesn't mean that he's more likely to assault someone than a police officer.

He just assaulted and robbed someone and it was caught on camera. His being black doesn't change that, nor did I say or imply anything about it.

What is it about "shooting people kills them dead" is it that you don't understand?

How do you differentiate between "assault and theft" and "shooting someone dead six times, twice in the head, and then calling in the national guard to disperse protesters with tear gas, rubber bullets, and arrest media", and somehow come to the conclusion that the first person deserves to die and the second deserves a medal?

[Israeli Defense Force]

The person assaulted in the video was much smaller and unarmed however, and bullys rarely take on stronger or armed victims.

Do we know how big Wilson is? We know Brown was 6'4" and 290-something pounds.
Plus, the autopsy found drugs in Brown's system. It would suggest his judgement was impaired.

[Big Jim P]

He just assaulted and robbed someone and it was caught on camera. His being black doesn't change that, nor did I say or imply anything about it.

What is it about "shooting people kills them dead" is it that you don't understand?

How do you differentiate between "assault and theft" and "shooting someone dead six times, twice in the head, and then calling in the national guard to disperse protesters with tear gas, rubber bullets, and arrest media", and somehow come to the conclusion that the first person deserves to die and the second deserves a medal?

Just how do you "shoot someone dead six times"?

[Organized States]

Wait, there was another?

I don't believe this is the root cause, Ferguson is angry about a number of things, Police disconnect being one of them (others include economics, education, etc). This is just a way to get attention on their issues, plus it helps that this is an election year.

The straw that broke the camel's back.

True, that's a quite good comparison here. This is just an example of another issue, exploding into something more (Like the LA Riots).

[The Grim Reaper]

Just how do you "shoot someone dead six times"?

Shot him six times, which resulted in his death.

Gorramit Jim, the P stands for Pedantic, doesn't it?

[Big Jim P]

The person assaulted in the video was much smaller and unarmed however, and bullys rarely take on stronger or armed victims.

Do we know how big Wilson is? We know Brown was 6'4" and 290-something pounds.
Plus, the autopsy found drugs in Brown's system. It would suggest his judgement was impaired.

Wilson was armed, not necessarily large, and the video form the store shows a much smaller assault victim.

I was unaware that drugs were found in Browns body.

[The Grim Reaper]

Do we know how big Wilson is? We know Brown was 6'4" and 290-something pounds.
Plus, the autopsy found drugs in Brown's system. It would suggest his judgement was impaired.

Wilson was armed, not necessarily large, and the video form the store shows a much smaller assault victim.

I was unaware that drugs were found in Browns body.

We're going to need a source on that autopsy.

[Big Jim P]

Just how do you "shoot someone dead six times"?

Shot him six times, which resulted in his death.

Gorramit Jim, the P stands for Pedantic, doesn't it?

Hardly. The phrase actually confused me.

[The Grim Reaper]

Shot him six times, which resulted in his death.

Gorramit Jim, the P stands for Pedantic, doesn't it?

Hardly. The phrase actually confused me.

Oh, my apologies, then.

[Big Jim P]

The straw that broke the camel's back.

True, that's a quite good comparison here. This is just an example of another issue, exploding into something more (Like the LA Riots).

Really though, destroying ones own community is a reasonable response?

[Big Jim P]

Hardly. The phrase actually confused me.

Oh, my apologies, then.

No prob.