Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Mavorpen]

The post I originally quoted was from August 11th, which was before the autopsy and other key pieces of evidence came out. So at the time it was as valid an opinion as anyone's.

This is as laughably silly as arguing that slavery is good, then when being pointed out that it has an overall negative effect on humanity, saying, "Yeah, but before it was abolished, they didn't know the science shows that races don't exist, so it's just as valid as anyone's at that time." I really do not care about a person's opinion if it's already been repeatedly refuted. And such a retrospective tactic is nowhere near enough of a good enough excuse for not doing an even remotely decent amount of research on the topic.

Tired of having to argue the same things over and over? Welcome to NSG.

"Welcome to NSG" is not a valid excuse to refuse to do actual research.

[Libertarian California]

Well hats off to the Missouri National Guard for sticking their necks out there. Good luck boys.

"Congratulations, you're doing your job!"

Given that this more action than National Guardsmen usually see, I'd say this deserves a mention.

One weekend a month, two weeks a year.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

"Congratulations, you're doing your job!"

Given that this more action than National Guardsmen usually see, I'd say this deserves a mention.

One weekend a month, two weeks a year.

With the occasional week spent shitting your pants in the middle of an urban war zone.

[Libertarian California]

Given that this more action than National Guardsmen usually see, I'd say this deserves a mention.

One weekend a month, two weeks a year.

With the occasional week spent shitting your pants in the middle of an urban war zone.

Well, now thanks to Dubya when he realized not enough people were in the regular forces.

[Organized States]

"Congratulations, you're doing your job!"

Given that this more action than National Guardsmen usually see, I'd say this deserves a mention.

One weekend a month, two weeks a year.

I do believe quite a few of the Guardsmen in Missouri have deployment experience, I'll get some numbers in a minute.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

With the occasional week spent shitting your pants in the middle of an urban war zone.

Well, now thanks to Dubya when he realized not enough people were in the regular forces.

I was speaking more of the current situation, but that's a fine point.

[Eastern Equestria]

The post I originally quoted was from August 11th, which was before the autopsy and other key pieces of evidence came out. So at the time it was as valid an opinion as anyone's.

This is as laughably silly as arguing that slavery is good, then when being pointed out that it has an overall negative effect on humanity, saying, "Yeah, but before it was abolished, they didn't know the science shows that races don't exist, so it's just as valid as anyone's at that time." I really do not care about a person's opinion if it's already been repeatedly refuted. And such a retrospective tactic is nowhere near enough of a good enough excuse for not doing an even remotely decent amount of research on the topic.

There's nothing silly about it. Before the autopsy report and related eyewitness reports became mainstream there was nothing to support what we know as the truth now. And the analogy with slavery doesn't work because the claim "slavery is good" needn't be disproven by later scientific studies on the specious concept of race when the slaves' deprivement of basic human rights and the economic faults of relying on slave labor were already known as major reasons why slavery wasn't "good" even before it was abolished.

Tired of having to argue the same things over and over? Welcome to NSG.

"Welcome to NSG" is not a valid excuse to refuse to do actual research.

So before your caveat was that I'd done more research than I'd purported, and now it's that I haven't done enough. Contradicting yourself now, aren't we?

[Organized States]

Captain Johnson: Two civilians shot in Ferguson, and officers (and possibly National Guardsmen) were fired upon.

[Greed and Death]

That brings up another rule of evidence against prejudice which the prosecution will use to attempt to keep the robbery out of evidence. However, to be too prejudicial the prejudice must substantially outweigh the probativeness of the evidence. So I think the evidence most likely comes in.


The defense has to show brown resisted ( and since there is a video that purports to show him surrendering before getting shot), the defense will need to show that resistance by brown interfered with the Officer's ability to discern a surrender from a further attack. Before the riots I gave it a good chance of a conviction.

if would speak to browns state of mind, but would be highly speculative. do you think the cop's lawyer will want the trial moved?

Hell yeah there was a riot. No way he can get an impartial jury in the Saint Louis Area. Even before a lawyer would want the trial move. Saint Louis is a diverse county and a Jury would almost certainly contain some minority members.

Now there is a good excuse to move the trial to a few counties away where the jury pool will be country, and white.

[Ravenflight]

Are you happy now? Are you happy that the national guard has been called in? Congrats, you support Martial Law, You have sunk to the same level as the Shah of Iran, during the end of the 70's

Take a freaking chill pill, instead of attempting to relate me to a murding asshole, but to be honest with you, I really don't give a damn about what you (or anyone else) think about me. So go ahead, criticize me for having a viewpoint different than your own, because I don't care. I apologize if this seems baity, but I have no other words at this moment.


And yes, I'm quite supportive of the Governor's decision, as its one of the few options remaining to him, and makes sense.

I don't attack you because you have a different belief I attack you because you support people are going to no longer use, LRADs. Rubber Bullet and Tear gas and are most likely to kill on site.

[Organized States]

Take a freaking chill pill, instead of attempting to relate me to a murding asshole, but to be honest with you, I really don't give a damn about what you (or anyone else) think about me. So go ahead, criticize me for having a viewpoint different than your own, because I don't care. I apologize if this seems baity, but I have no other words at this moment.


And yes, I'm quite supportive of the Governor's decision, as its one of the few options remaining to him, and makes sense.

I don't attack you because you have a different belief I attack you because you support people are going to no longer use, LRADs. Rubber Bullet and Tear gas and are most likely to kill on site.

LRADs are just annoying (and loud), tear gas makes you cry (I know, I've smelled that shit), really only the rubber bullets are could in theory kill you. Though this is in theory, not really in reality.

This situation, has gotten out of hand, if you watched Captain Johnson's briefing early today, and saw some of the footage coming out of this right now (Cops being shot at assaulted, Innocent people losing quite a bit of their livelihoods). The fact that looting, assaulting, and shooting is becoming common in this area rather quickly, the National Guard needed to be in there much quicker.

And, perhaps maybe, the National Guard will get a slightly better response (whose going to shoot at the guys who have double what you can bring to the gunfight), and what does the National Guard have to gain from any investigation in Ferguson (nothing). They're a more neutral third party than anyone else at the moment.

[Farnhamia]

I don't attack you because you have a different belief I attack you because you support people are going to no longer use, LRADs. Rubber Bullet and Tear gas and are most likely to kill on site.

LRADs are just annoying (and loud), tear gas makes you cry (I know, I've smelled that shit), really only the rubber bullets are could in theory kill you. Though this is in theory, not really in reality.

This situation, has gotten out of hand, if you watched Captain Johnson's briefing early today, and saw some of the footage coming out of this right now (Cops being shot at assaulted, Innocent people losing quite a bit of their livelihoods). The fact that looting, assaulting, and shooting is becoming common in this area rather quickly, the National Guard needed to be in there much quicker.

And, perhaps maybe, the National Guard will get a slightly better response (whose going to shoot at the guys who have double what you can bring to the gunfight), and what does the National Guard have to gain from any investigation in Ferguson (nothing). They're a more neutral third party than anyone else at the moment.

Or not, since they were on duty last night and there was still violence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/fe ... tests.html

[Organized States]

LRADs are just annoying (and loud), tear gas makes you cry (I know, I've smelled that shit), really only the rubber bullets are could in theory kill you. Though this is in theory, not really in reality.

This situation, has gotten out of hand, if you watched Captain Johnson's briefing early today, and saw some of the footage coming out of this right now (Cops being shot at assaulted, Innocent people losing quite a bit of their livelihoods). The fact that looting, assaulting, and shooting is becoming common in this area rather quickly, the National Guard needed to be in there much quicker.

And, perhaps maybe, the National Guard will get a slightly better response (whose going to shoot at the guys who have double what you can bring to the gunfight), and what does the National Guard have to gain from any investigation in Ferguson (nothing). They're a more neutral third party than anyone else at the moment.

Or not, since they were on duty last night and there was still violence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/fe ... tests.html

That might be due to the fact that they didn't do much, but considering that the element is probably still moving their equipment into their Area of Operations before they go full on, we might see Blue and Tan replaced by that stupid ass gray that they make our troops wear.

[The Grim Reaper]

LRADs are just annoying (and loud), tear gas makes you cry (I know, I've smelled that shit), really only the rubber bullets are could in theory kill you. Though this is in theory, not really in reality.

LRADs can't kill as far as I know. They're an acoustic device, and as such, the amount of energy required to injury someone would be immense. It is more than possible it would do permanent damage to hearing at short range.

Tear gas can hospitalize people with pre-existing respiratory conditions, such as asthma, and believe it or not, asthmatics have a right to free speech too.

The components of tear gas can also cause chemical burns, or induce allergic reactions, as well as damage the eyes at close range. The use of ballistic-trajectory tear gas launchers can also cause serious injury, based purely on the shells themselves through kinetic energy, as well as the heat of such shells (to throw them back generally requires gloves or adrenaline, and is considered to be the safest option - tear gas going off near protesters is significantly more dangerous than tear gas going off against cops wearing body armour and gas masks, standard issue to the cops actually using the tear gas, if not the general force dispatched).

[Organized States]

LRADs are just annoying (and loud), tear gas makes you cry (I know, I've smelled that shit), really only the rubber bullets are could in theory kill you. Though this is in theory, not really in reality.

LRADs can't kill as far as I know. They're an acoustic device, and as such, the amount of energy required to injury someone would be immense. It is more than possible it would do permanent damage to hearing at short range.

Tear gas can hospitalize people with pre-existing respiratory conditions, such as asthma, and believe it or not, asthmatics have a right to free speech too.

The components of tear gas can also cause chemical burns, or induce allergic reactions, as well as damage the eyes at close range. The use of ballistic-trajectory tear gas launchers can also cause serious injury, based purely on the shells themselves through kinetic energy, as well as the heat of such shells (to throw them back generally requires gloves or adrenaline, and is considered to be the safest option - tear gas going off near protesters is significantly more dangerous than tear gas going off against cops wearing body armour and gas masks, standard issue to the cops actually using the tear gas, if not the general force dispatched).

All of which is true, but saying it could instantly kill you is an overstatement.

Tear Gas, is a generally, great non-lethal substance, and better than baton charging them, though water hoses might work, tear gas is generally better at dispersing people.

[The Grim Reaper]

All of which is true, but saying it could instantly kill you is an overstatement.

Tear Gas, is a generally, great non-lethal substance, and better than baton charging them, though water hoses might work, tear gas is generally better at dispersing people.

And why are we dispersing people if the problem is looters?

[Organized States]

All of which is true, but saying it could instantly kill you is an overstatement.

Tear Gas, is a generally, great non-lethal substance, and better than baton charging them, though water hoses might work, tear gas is generally better at dispersing people.

And why are we dispersing people if the problem is looters?

The problem has grown to more than looting. 2 people were shot in the crowd (by others in the crowd according to the Police) last night, as well as Bottles, Rocks, and Molotov Cocktails were thrown at officers, that would be the reason that the cops are dispersing them (for their own safety, and that of the normal protesters in the crowd).

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I think it's kinda ironic how, after a good year of moralizing to the world about respecting journalists and protestors in other countries, the country goes and employs the exact same tactics when confronted by unrest in its own backyard.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Is there anything I am missing?

An unbiased nature, or presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

But nah, it must be racism. The victim had only just committed assault and robbery, clearly it was beyond his motivation to do anything further wrong. Wilson must be a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Why even wait for a trial?

[Organized States]

I think it's kinda ironic how, after a good year of moralizing to the world about respecting journalists and protestors in other countries, the country goes and employs the exact same tactics when confronted by unrest in its own backyard.

We're not using helicopter gunships against protesters.

[DesAnges]

Is there anything I am missing?

An unbiased nature, or presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

But nah, it must be racism. The victim had only just committed assault and robbery, clearly it was beyond his motivation to do anything further wrong. Wilson must be a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Why even wait for a trial?

Wilson didn't know Brown had anything to do with the robbery.

[Israeli Defense Force]

An unbiased nature, or presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

But nah, it must be racism. The victim had only just committed assault and robbery, clearly it was beyond his motivation to do anything further wrong. Wilson must be a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Why even wait for a trial?

Wilson didn't know Brown had anything to do with the robbery.

That's irrelevant. For those of us who know it establishes Brown's character as a violent criminal.

[The Grim Reaper]

That's irrelevant. For those of us who know it establishes Brown's character as a violent criminal.

For stealing a pack of cigars, for which he must be shot.

[Israeli Defense Force]

That's irrelevant. For those of us who know it establishes Brown's character as a violent criminal.

For stealing a pack of cigars, for which he must be shot.

Whatever floats your boat.

But while you're advocating murder, at least mention that Brown committed assault along with the robbery.

[Alaizia]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/10/cops-shoot-teen.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-rioting-looting-erupts-after-peaceful-vigil-1.2732591

Rioting and looting erupted in Ferguson, Missouri, late on Sunday as protests over the killing of a black teenager by a police officer turned violent, law enforcement officials and media reports said. Crowds broke the windows of cars and stores following a day of demonstrations over the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old shot dead on Saturday by a Ferguson police officer.

"We are currently experiencing a riot," a Ferguson police dispatcher said.

About 150 officers in riot gear from throughout St. Louis County, along with canine units, were sent to the area, a dispatcher for the St. Louis County Police Department said.

There was no immediate word on injuries.

Police said Brown was shot after a struggle over a gun in a police car. It was not immediately clear why Brown as in the car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car.

So, NSG, your thoughts on this? Personally, I think we need more details before we can make a judgement on the shooting, though it's despicable that they left his body lying there for 4 hours after he was killed. As for the riots, do you think they will escalate further, or die down soon? Will this be another nationwide debate, like the death of Trayvon Martin?

Why was he in the car in the first place?