Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Mavorpen]

Um, no. The facts that Brown wasn't involved in any theft (evidence suggests that Wilson wasn't even aware of any theft, making this irrelevant) and that the Ferguson police's handling of the riots have been atrocious are unrelated to my stance, which dealt solely with the details of the altercation itself. Which makes me question why you brought those up.

And again, I didn't say a single thing about "your stance" concerning those specific pieces of information. I don't see WHY you would question why they're being brought up. They're important pieces of information to understand the entire context of the information we now have. It's nothing more than supplemental information. And if you care about being informed as much as you're trying to say you are, then you really shouldn't be complaining.

Maybe I haven't. Maybe I've been on vacation for the past two weeks and haven't been paying much attention to the news (which I am). Did you consider that? Nope.

Actually, I did. And then I saw THIS:

How about no. With so many contradictory eyewitness reports nobody really knows what happened, least of all anybody on this forum. However all of the evidence so far points to there being an altercation between Brown and Officer Wilson over Wilson's weapon.

You were making explicit claims about the eyewitness reports and about the "evidence so far," which indicated that you HAD been keeping up with this topic and yet somehow reached conclusions that no reasonable person would make. There was no indication that you WEREN'T following this topic, and in fact, you gave the OPPOSITE impression. You have only yourself to blame for that.

Really? Seriously? I've known of that word for years, and I've only been a patron of this website since February.

Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I am not as informed of the situation in Ferguson as I would like to be, but from what I understand, it is as follows:

A young African American Teenager, Martin Brown, was shot six times, at a distance, completely unarmed and with his hands raised in the air, by a Police Officer, Darren Wilson. The Police then release statements after statements trying to villify the late Martin Brown, claiming that he is a theif, a criminal, etc. and that, though his shooting has nothing to do with thise alledged crimes, he was right to be shot for some reason. Then they launch into effulsive praise of Officer Wilson, what an upstanding citizen he is, how he is a great upholder of justice, and how he was savagely attacked by an unarmed teenager.

While this is happening, there is a mostly peaceful protest against this, which was met with a brutal suppression by the same police that speant a good part of this affair covering their asses. There are some cases of rioting, which the State Government of Missouri used as an excuse to impose a curfew upon the locals, in hopes of travelling back in time to the days of Jim Crow.

Is there anything I am missing?

[Mavorpen]

I am not as informed of the situation in Ferguson as I would like to be, but from what I understand, it is as follows:

A young African American Teenager, Martin Brown, was shot six times, at a distance, completely unarmed and with his hands raised in the air, by a Police Officer, Darren Wilson. The Police then release statements after statements trying to villify the late Martin Brown, claiming that he is a theif, a criminal, etc. and that, though his shooting has nothing to do with thise alledged crimes, he was right to be shot for some reason. Then they launch into effulsive praise of Officer Wilson, what an upstanding citizen he is, how he is a great upholder of justice, and how he was savagely attacked by an unarmed teenager.

While this is happening, there is a mostly peaceful protest against this, which was met with a brutal suppression by the same police that speant a good part of this affair covering their asses. There are some cases of rioting, which the State Government of Missouri used as an excuse to impose a curfew upon the locals, in hopes of travelling back in time to the days of Jim Crow.

Is there anything I am missing?

They also unjustly arrested reporters without giving reasons. So yeah, there's that as well.

[Neutraligon]

I am not as informed of the situation in Ferguson as I would like to be, but from what I understand, it is as follows:

A young African American Teenager, Martin Brown, was shot six times, at a distance, completely unarmed and with his hands raised in the air, by a Police Officer, Darren Wilson. The Police then release statements after statements trying to villify the late Martin Brown, claiming that he is a theif, a criminal, etc. and that, though his shooting has nothing to do with thise alledged crimes, he was right to be shot for some reason. Then they launch into effulsive praise of Officer Wilson, what an upstanding citizen he is, how he is a great upholder of justice, and how he was savagely attacked by an unarmed teenager.

While this is happening, there is a mostly peaceful protest against this, which was met with a brutal suppression by the same police that speant a good part of this affair covering their asses. There are some cases of rioting, which the State Government of Missouri used as an excuse to impose a curfew upon the locals, in hopes of travelling back in time to the days of Jim Crow.

Is there anything I am missing?

They also unjustly arrested reporters without giving reasons. So yeah, there's that as well.

And allegedly used violence during some of those arrests.

[Eastern Equestria]

Um, no. The facts that Brown wasn't involved in any theft (evidence suggests that Wilson wasn't even aware of any theft, making this irrelevant) and that the Ferguson police's handling of the riots have been atrocious are unrelated to my stance, which dealt solely with the details of the altercation itself. Which makes me question why you brought those up.

And again, I didn't say a single thing about "your stance" concerning those specific pieces of information. I don't see WHY you would question why they're being brought up. They're important pieces of information to understand the entire context of the information we now have. It's nothing more than supplemental information. And if you care about being informed as much as you're trying to say you are, then you really shouldn't be complaining.

I'm not complaining about that. I'm just telling you that neither of those things effect the truth of the altercation between Brown and Wilson (the theft bit because Wilson wasn't informed of it at the time of the shooting, and the police mishandlement of peaceful protesters since that was a result of the incident). Hence you really had no reason to bring those up. I didn't want to learn about related events, I wanted to know the details of the shooting itself.

Maybe I haven't. Maybe I've been on vacation for the past two weeks and haven't been paying much attention to the news (which I am). Did you consider that? Nope.

Actually, I did. And then I saw THIS:

How about no. With so many contradictory eyewitness reports nobody really knows what happened, least of all anybody on this forum. However all of the evidence so far points to there being an altercation between Brown and Officer Wilson over Wilson's weapon.

You were making explicit claims about the eyewitness reports and about the "evidence so far," which indicated that you HAD been keeping up with this topic and yet somehow reached conclusions that no reasonable person would make. There was no indication that you WEREN'T following this topic, and in fact, you gave the OPPOSITE impression. You have only yourself to blame for that.

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Um, the reports I was referring to were from articles that I'd read on major network websites and other second-hand sources between the time I saw the title of this thread in the little sidebar a few hours ago and the time I hit "submit" on that post you're referencing. Soooooooo...

Really? Seriously? I've known of that word for years, and I've only been a patron of this website since February.

Not sure what that has to do with what I said.

You stated "I really wish mods hadn't introduced that word to people on this site" in reference to snarkiness as if I'd never heard of or used the word before seeing it used by the moderators on this website.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not complaining about that. I'm just telling you that neither of those things effect the truth of the altercation between Brown and Wilson (the theft bit because Wilson wasn't informed of it at the time of the shooting, and the police mishandlement of peaceful protesters since that was a result of the incident). Hence you really had no reason to bring those up.

No, I certainly did. Wilson not being informed of Brown being a suspect is relevant and important because the police force released that video despite the fact that it was relevant. The failure of the police force in handling the protests is absolutely relevant because it provides context behind likely why this occurred in the first place. Both of these serve the purpose to demonstrate the general ineptness of the police force there, and serves as a way to judge the credibility of it and whether it should be trusted when it comes to its defense of Wilson or not.

So yes, I had a reason to bring it up. Your failure to see that reason does nothing to make that reason disappear.

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Um, the reports I was referring to were from articles that I'd read on major network websites and other second-hand sources between the time I saw the title of this thread in the little sidebar a few hours ago and the time I hit "submit" on that post you're referencing. Soooooooo...

Right, and this only makes your point even more questionable. When you search for information concerning topics that are currently being reported on, search engines typically give you the most recent information. And again, like I said, the most recent information have all been crushing the credibility of the conclusion of the original post in question. So I don't see how you DIDN'T see this information.

You stated "I really wish mods hadn't introduced that word to people on this site" in reference to snarkiness as if I'd never heard of the word before seeing it used by the moderators on this website.

I never said that you'd never heard of the word.

[Saruhan]

Considering that "snitches get stitches" was spraypainted on the looted store that was supposedly robbed by Brown, I'd suggest there may be some other factor at play

Not saying that it didn't happen--indeed, I can easily see how it could happen--but do you have a link to a photo of that, or article claiming it?

Considering that "snitches get stitches" was spraypainted on the looted store that was supposedly robbed by Brown, I'd suggest there may be some other factor at play

Source this, because I haven't seen anything claiming and confirming that this QuikTrip is the same one that was supposedly shoplifted by Brown.

I have both. And even if it was a different Quiktrip, I believe that the message that is being sent would be the same

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip- ... -ferguson/

[Mavorpen]

Not saying that it didn't happen--indeed, I can easily see how it could happen--but do you have a link to a photo of that, or article claiming it?

Source this, because I haven't seen anything claiming and confirming that this QuikTrip is the same one that was supposedly shoplifted by Brown.

I have both. And even if it was a different Quiktrip, I believe that the message that is being sent would be the same

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip- ... -ferguson/

I don't even think you understand the message. You seem to be under the impression that it's explicitly talking to the store owners. Why? Seems much more likely they're talking about people in general who saw them looting, found their identities, and were thinking about reporting them.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Are the police inept or racist? Or maybe both.

[Our Governator]

Are the police inept or racist? Or maybe both.

Hey, they have one Hispanic in their force, they are not racist at all.

[The Lone Alliance]

Horrible horrible stuff, I'm almost afraid to ask if anyone else has died yet.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Horrible horrible stuff, I'm almost afraid to ask if anyone else has died yet.

Dunno, but the live feed is done for tonight.

[Saruhan]

I have both. And even if it was a different Quiktrip, I believe that the message that is being sent would be the same

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/11/quiktrip- ... -ferguson/

I don't even think you understand the message. You seem to be under the impression that it's explicitly talking to the store owners. Why? Seems much more likely they're talking about people in general who saw them looting, found their identities, and were thinking about reporting them.

Uh huh, which is why this is only on a quiktrip, rather than any of the dozens of businesses that have been attacked. Just this one, after some controversy over a robbery and it's report to the police. Just happened to be on this one business, and not any of the others. Got you

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I don't even think you understand the message. You seem to be under the impression that it's explicitly talking to the store owners. Why? Seems much more likely they're talking about people in general who saw them looting, found their identities, and were thinking about reporting them.

Uh huh, which is why this is only on a quiktrip, rather than any of the dozens of businesses that have been attacked. Just this one, after some controversy over a robbery and it's report to the police. Just happened to be on this one business, and not any of the others. Got you

And we are to presume that this is some sort of revenge burning because...? There is as much evidence for that supposition as for the belief that it was done by Aliens, who written a message in their language, which, by strange coincidence, looks like "Snitches get Stitches" in English.

[Mavorpen]

I don't even think you understand the message. You seem to be under the impression that it's explicitly talking to the store owners. Why? Seems much more likely they're talking about people in general who saw them looting, found their identities, and were thinking about reporting them.

Uh huh, which is why this is only on a quiktrip, rather than any of the dozens of businesses that have been attacked. Just this one, after some controversy over a robbery and it's report to the police. Just happened to be on this one business, and not any of the others. Got you

You do realize that the video of the shoplifting was released on August 15th, right? That's four days after the article you posted and subsequently at least four days after that QuikTrip was looted and tagged with that phrase.

So yes, it just happened to be on this one business (or this one business was the only one with that phrase that was reported on), unless you want to argue the looters can time travel.

[Eastern Equestria]

I'm not complaining about that. I'm just telling you that neither of those things effect the truth of the altercation between Brown and Wilson (the theft bit because Wilson wasn't informed of it at the time of the shooting, and the police mishandlement of peaceful protesters since that was a result of the incident). Hence you really had no reason to bring those up.

No, I certainly did. Wilson not being informed of Brown being a suspect is relevant and important because the police force released that video despite the fact that it was relevant. The failure of the police force in handling the protests is absolutely relevant because it provides context behind likely why this occurred in the first place. Both of these serve the purpose to demonstrate the general ineptness of the police force there, and serves as a way to judge the credibility of it and whether it should be trusted when it comes to its defense of Wilson or not.

So yes, I had a reason to bring it up. Your failure to see that reason does nothing to make that reason disappear.

Nice job cutting out and ignoring the final section of that bit. Once again, I was concerned only with the details of the shooting. And if you were using those pieces of evidence make a point about the incompetence of the Ferguson Police Department as a whole in regards to the shooting, then why didn't you explicitly make this link until right now? If you had just made this analysis before then there wouldn't have been any confusion.

Right, and this only makes your point even more questionable. When you search for information concerning topics that are currently being reported on, search engines typically give you the most recent information. And again, like I said, the most recent information have all been crushing the credibility of the conclusion of the original post in question. So I don't see how you DIDN'T see this information.

It's not as if I pored over every article that came up when I searched "Michael Brown" (I'm still on vacation, you know). And I think you're overestimating how much I looked into this. Otherwise I don't know what to tell you. I'll consult with google and my personal search engine gods to see what they have to say on the matter. The conflicting reports I was referring to was this one in particular that popped up very recently.

You stated "I really wish mods hadn't introduced that word to people on this site" in reference to snarkiness as if I'd never heard of the word before seeing it used by the moderators on this website.

I never said that you'd never heard of the word.

You highlighted my use of it and said that you wished that mods had never started using it. And I've been explaining to you that I would have used it regardless of whether the mods here did or not.

[Mavorpen]

Nice job cutting out and ignoring the final section of that bit. Once again, I was concerned only with the details of the shooting. And if you were using those pieces of evidence make a point about the incompetence of the Ferguson Police Department as a whole in regard at the shooting, then why didn't you explicitly make this link until right now? If you had just made this analysis before then there wouldn't have been any confusion.

Because there's no actual confusion here outside of your strange desire to complain about absolutely nothing. I already told you that I wasn't making any sort of statement about what you believe concerning those specific pieces of information. You insisted upon repeating that you never said anything about those pieces of information despite that.

It's not as if I pored over every article that came up when I searched "Michael Brown" (I'm still on vacation, you know). And I think you're overestimating how much I looked into this. Otherwise I don't know what to tell you. I'll consult with google and my personal search engine gods to see what they have to say on the matter. The conflicting reports I referring to was this one that popped up very recently.

Couple of things wrong here. First of all, that doesn't conflict with any other reports in that it doesn't actually state that the account given by "Josie" is actually true. The source is stating that this individual has given a report of what happened and that it's

is "accurate," in that it matches what Wilson has told investigators.

Second, I'm not sure how you possibly got that source immediately from simply searching "Michael Brown." I've gone through 7 pages right now and it still hasn't shown up, which is odd, because that would mean that you either did go through each article, or you ignored the ones that had titles that provided evidence that Wilson used unnecessary force.

You highlighted my use of it and said that you wished that mods had never started using it. And I've been explaining to you that I would have used it regardless of whether the mods here did or not.

I'm not sure how you could possibly know what without being able to see parallel universes.

[Organized States]

Heh.

Thailand was a democracy in 2008, so it counts.

Are you happy now? Are you happy that the national guard has been called in? Congrats, you support Martial Law, You have sunk to the same level as the Shah of Iran, during the end of the 70's

Take a freaking chill pill, instead of attempting to relate me to a murding asshole, but to be honest with you, I really don't give a damn about what you (or anyone else) think about me. So go ahead, criticize me for having a viewpoint different than your own, because I don't care. I apologize if this seems baity, but I have no other words at this moment.


And yes, I'm quite supportive of the Governor's decision, as its one of the few options remaining to him, and makes sense.

[Eastern Equestria]

Nice job cutting out and ignoring the final section of that bit. Once again, I was concerned only with the details of the shooting. And if you were using those pieces of evidence make a point about the incompetence of the Ferguson Police Department as a whole in regard at the shooting, then why didn't you explicitly make this link until right now? If you had just made this analysis before then there wouldn't have been any confusion.

Because there's no actual confusion here outside of your strange desire to complain about absolutely nothing.

Actually there was. You provided evidence corroborating the ineptitude of the Ferguson Police department as a whole when all I was looking for was evidence to possibly refute my understanding of the shooting itself. I was only complaining in the sense that I was telling you that that's not what I was looking for.

It's not as if I pored over every article that came up when I searched "Michael Brown" (I'm still on vacation, you know). And I think you're overestimating how much I looked into this. Otherwise I don't know what to tell you. I'll consult with google and my personal search engine gods to see what they have to say on the matter. The conflicting reports I referring to was this one that popped up very recently.

Couple of things wrong here. First of all, that doesn't conflict with any other reports in that it doesn't actually state that the account given by "Josie" is actually true. The source is stating that this individual has given a report of what happened and that it's

is "accurate," in that it matches what Wilson has told investigators.

Second, I'm not sure how you possibly got that source immediately from simply searching "Michael Brown." I've gone through 7 pages right now and it still hasn't shown up, which is odd, because that would mean that you either did go through each article, or you ignored the ones that had titles that provided evidence that Wilson used unnecessary force.

Ummmm, you really take people's words literally don't you? Lol. "Michael Brown" wasn't the only thing I searched on google. Though I commend you for looking through seven pages of "Michael Brown" results for my source when you would have found it on the first page of results if you'd searched "Officer Wilson". It's quite curious how you maintain that I knew much more about this event than from the cursory, little research I'd done on it after coming across this thread earlier today (or yesterday depending on where you live).

[quote=Eastern Equestria";p="21413574"]
You highlighted my use of it and said that you wished that mods had never started using it. And I've been explaining to you that I would have used it regardless of whether the mods here did or not.

I'm not sure how you could possibly know what without being able to see parallel universes.[/quote]

For your misplaced rudeness, snarkiness basically.

I really wish mods hadn't introduced that word to people on this site.

I was not introduced to the word "snarkiness" by the mods on this site.

[Mavorpen]

Actually there was. You provided evidence corroborating the ineptitude of the Ferguson Police department as a whole when all I was looking for was evidence to possibly refute my understanding of the shooting itself. I was only complaining in the sense that I was telling you that that's not what I was looking for.

Right, and then I immediately told you that I didn't care whatsoever about that, because the purpose of it wasn't to satisfy your desire for the other specific pieces of information. After that, there was literally no point in repeating that again.

Ummmm, you really take people's words literally don't you? Lol. "Michael Brown" wasn't the only thing I searched on google. Though I commend you for looking through seven pages of "Michael Brown" results for my source when you would have found it on the first page of results if you'd searched "Officer Wilson". It's quite curious how you maintain that I knew much more about this event than from the cursory, little research I'd done on it after coming across this thread earlier today (or yesterday depending on where you live).

No, sorry, but it's not on the first page when I search "Officer Wilson." I did, however, find it on the third page.

I was not introduced to the word "snarkiness" by the mods on this site.

Didn't say that you were.

[Eastern Equestria]

Actually there was. You provided evidence corroborating the ineptitude of the Ferguson Police department as a whole when all I was looking for was evidence to possibly refute my understanding of the shooting itself. I was only complaining in the sense that I was telling you that that's not what I was looking for.

Right, and then I immediately told you that I didn't care whatsoever about that, because the purpose of it wasn't to satisfy your desire for the other specific pieces of information.

I was only interested in information regarding the inident specifically so as to better my understanding of it at the time. But at this point I pretty much know everything that I need to know. I just wish I could have been informed in a more friendly manner.

Ummmm, you really take people's words literally don't you? Lol. "Michael Brown" wasn't the only thing I searched on google. Though I commend you for looking through seven pages of "Michael Brown" results for my source when you would have found it on the first page of results if you'd searched "Officer Wilson". It's quite curious how you maintain that I knew much more about this event than from the cursory, little research I'd done on it after coming across this thread earlier today (or yesterday depending on where you live).

No, sorry, but it's not on the first page when I search "Officer Wilson." I did, however, find it on the third page.

It's on the first page for me. Really don't know what to tell ya.

I was not introduced to the word "snarkiness" by the mods on this site.

Didn't say that you were.

Just forget it.

[Mavorpen]

Right, and then I immediately told you that I didn't care whatsoever about that, because the purpose of it wasn't to satisfy your desire for the other specific pieces of information.

I was only interested in information regarding the inident specifically so as to better my understanding of it at the time. But at this point I pretty much know everything that I need to know. I just wish I could have been informed in a more friendly manner.

Well then, put more effort into finding information next time then. People get tired of having to address the same exact rehashed shitty arguments over and over.

[Libertarian California]

Well hats off to the Missouri National Guard for sticking their necks out there. Good luck boys.

[Scomagia]

Well hats off to the Missouri National Guard for sticking their necks out there. Good luck boys.

"Congratulations, you're doing your job!"

[Eastern Equestria]

I was only interested in information regarding the inident specifically so as to better my understanding of it at the time. But at this point I pretty much know everything that I need to know. I just wish I could have been informed in a more friendly manner.

Well then, put more effort into finding information next time then. People get tired of having to address the same exact rehashed shitty arguments over and over.

The post I originally quoted was from August 11th, which was before the autopsy and other key pieces of evidence came out. So at the time it was as valid an opinion as anyone's. And while I agreed with it I was quite open to suggestion and correction. Which could have been done without your insulting tone.

Tired of having to argue the same things over and over? Welcome to NSG.