Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[Calisu]

Still waiting on any evidence that proves the cop shot Brown in self defence

There are witnesses that corroborate the officers story.

There are witnesses that go against the officers story too

[Geilinor]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html
Some witnesses say that there was a fight between Brown and Wilson when he was shot, others say that Brown's hands were in the air.

[Mavorpen]

There are witnesses that corroborate the officers story.

There are witnesses that go against the officers story too

Uh, that doesn't make those witness reports not evidence.

[Geilinor]

There are witnesses that corroborate the officers story.

There are witnesses that go against the officers story too

Hence, "could be self-defense, but debatable".

[Calisu]

There are witnesses that go against the officers story too

Uh, that doesn't make those witness reports not evidence.

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

[Kouralia]

Thank god for things like this.

I'd almost started to forget that the Police are capable of doing good things, the way things are carrying on here.

[Kouralia]

Uh, that doesn't make those witness reports not evidence.

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

How do you know there was a dashboard camera in that particular vehicle?

[Mavorpen]

Uh, that doesn't make those witness reports not evidence.

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-dashcams/

[Geilinor]

Uh, that doesn't make those witness reports not evidence.

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

Ferguson PD doesn't have dash cams. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/momentum_grows_for_police_dashboard_cameras_body_cams_in_wake_of_ferguson.php

[Germanic Templars]

Side note related to the thread, I think there should be a poll about whether the situation is either self-defense or murder, just to see where NS is at on it.

[Big Jim P]

I did not. ALL the eyewitness reports we are receiving have come through new channels.

Which doesn't make them one in the same. You do realize that the eye witness reports don't have to have been gathered on the exact SAME day as they were reported in the news, right?

And in fact, I find that extremely hard to buy. Want to cite that?

Of course they don't have to hit the news the day they were reported. However, we only learn of them when the new reports them. Why would the media would sit on reports supporting self defense?

[Mavorpen]

Side note related to the thread, I think there should be a poll about whether the situation is either self-defense or murder, just to see where NS is at on it.

That would be silly considering this is an ongoing topic with new information continuously being released. People would, and probably have, changed their views significantly throughout this.

[Calisu]

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

How do you know there was a dashboard camera in that particular vehicle?

It's a cop car they all have dashcams

[Geilinor]

How do you know there was a dashboard camera in that particular vehicle?

It's a cop car they all have dashcams

Not a single cop car in Ferguson, Missouri has a dashcam.

[Calisu]

Where is the dash cam footage? If it didn't see what happened it would have still recorded the conversation.

Ferguson PD doesn't have dash cams. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/momentum_grows_for_police_dashboard_cameras_body_cams_in_wake_of_ferguson.php

Oh what a coincidence the one piece of evidence that would have been more than a random persons word.

[Mavorpen]

Of course they don't have to hit the news the day they were reported.

Which is the reason behind my initial confusion. At some point you muddled the two to the point where they became indistinguishable, and it really makes no sense to claim that the witness reports are more "current" unless you know when they were given to the police force.

However, we only learn of them when the new reports them. Why would the media would sit on reports supporting self defense?

I don't understand the question, sorry.

[Big Jim P]

How do you know there was a dashboard camera in that particular vehicle?

It's a cop car they all have dashcams

Ummmm....no they don't. I believe this has already been covered in-thread.

[Mavorpen]

Ferguson PD doesn't have dash cams. http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/momentum_grows_for_police_dashboard_cameras_body_cams_in_wake_of_ferguson.php

Oh what a coincidence the one piece of evidence that would have been more than a random persons word.

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

[Big Jim P]

Of course they don't have to hit the news the day they were reported.

Which is the reason behind my initial confusion. At some point you muddled the two to the point where they became indistinguishable, and it really makes no sense to claim that the witness reports are more "current" unless you know when they were given to the police force.

However, we only learn of them when the new reports them. Why would the media would sit on reports supporting self defense?

I don't understand the question, sorry.

"More current" In that they are the most recently reported. I thought I made that clear.

As to the question, If the account that support defense were given earlier, then why has the media not bothered to report them as they were received? There are several possibilities: the media only recently received them (and reported them as they came in), or they sat on them for some reason.

[Calisu]

Oh what a coincidence the one piece of evidence that would have been more than a random persons word.

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

So it's safe to assume this racist cop knew he wouldn't get into trouble, which he hasn't for murdering a black guy for jaywalking

[Big Jim P]

Oh what a coincidence the one piece of evidence that would have been more than a random persons word.

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

Personally, I think that we should put cams in each of the police cars and on each of the officers. That would do a helluva lot to prevent future Fergusons.

[Neutraligon]

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

Personally, I think that we should put cams in each of the police cars and on each of the officers. That would do a helluva lot to prevent future Fergusons.

Where would the data be stored. I can see it for the cop cars, but that's a lot of data being stored per cop.

[Mavorpen]

As to the question, If the account that support defense were given earlier, then why has the media not bothered to report them as they were received? There are several possibilities: the media only recently received them (and reported them as they came in), or they sat on them for some reason.

Er, no. The news reports that there are eyewitness reports supporting Wilson's story came from this tweet. And the twitter...er got that information from police sources. Police sources had to have released this information, so even if the police sources had this information days earlier, news outlets couldn't report on them unless the police released them.

[Mavorpen]

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

So it's safe to assume this racist cop knew he wouldn't get into trouble, which he hasn't for murdering a black guy for jaywalking

Please demonstrate he was racist.

Then show us why that would make self defense void.

[Big Jim P]

No, that's not a coincidence. Why would it be a coincidence for a cop car to not have a dashcam in an area that has no police car dashcams ?

So it's safe to assume this racist cop knew he wouldn't get into trouble, which he hasn't for murdering a black guy for jaywalking

It is not safe to assume anything, especially that the cop murdered Brown. That is for the courts to decide.