Riots in St. Louis after Police kill Teen

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.

People have survived gunshots to the head before.

Indeed, barring the good ol' apricot.

[Condunum]

Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.

People have survived gunshots to the head before.

At incredibly far distance or with incredibly lucky shots, yes.

[Big Jim P]

It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.

And it's only in videogames and movies where people can charge people after being shot five times or would choose to risk something like that when they have nothing to gain.

PCP can make people bullet sponges, but PCP isn't all that common anymore (as far as I know), and the Toxicology report hasn't been released (again, as far as I know).

[Big Jim P]

People have survived gunshots to the head before.

At incredibly far distance or with incredibly lucky shots, yes.

Some have survived very short-ranged suicide attempts,

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

At incredibly far distance or with incredibly lucky shots, yes.

Some have survived very short-ranged suicide attempts,

Can we just tl;dr this shit and just say "it's rare, but it happens"?

[Condunum]

At incredibly far distance or with incredibly lucky shots, yes.

Some have survived very short-ranged suicide attempts,

Yes, I acknowledged that. They're generally either mangled and disabled for the rest of their lives, or had terrible aim.

In any sense, that doesn't matter because this was not a self-inflicted series of gunshots.

[Big Jim P]

Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.

It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.

Some people do go down after one shot (even with small calibre firearms such as the .25 ACP.

[Big Jim P]

Some have survived very short-ranged suicide attempts,

Yes, I acknowledged that. They're generally either mangled and disabled for the rest of their lives, or had terrible aim.

In any sense, that doesn't matter because this was not a self-inflicted series of gunshots.

True. I am just pointing out factual errors.

[Condunum]

Yes, I acknowledged that. They're generally either mangled and disabled for the rest of their lives, or had terrible aim.

In any sense, that doesn't matter because this was not a self-inflicted series of gunshots.

True. I am just pointing out factual errors.

Fair enough.

It is wrong to claim that head shots can't be non-fatal, that is true.

[Big Jim P]

Some have survived very short-ranged suicide attempts,

Can we just tl;dr this shit and just say "it's rare, but it happens"?

Or people can stop making blanket statement that are factually wrong.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Can we just tl;dr this shit and just say "it's rare, but it happens"?

Or people can stop making blanket statement that are factually wrong.

On a political forum?

[The Grim Reaper]

True. I am just pointing out factual errors.

Fair enough.

It is wrong to claim that head shots can't be non-fatal, that is true.

That's fair - Jim P knows more than I do about guns as it is by himself.

[Big Jim P]

Or people can stop making blanket statement that are factually wrong.

On a political forum?

Good point.

[Big Jim P]

True. I am just pointing out factual errors.

Fair enough.

It is wrong to claim that head shots can't be non-fatal, that is true.

I've been shooting and studying guns since I was 5 or so, so I do know quite a bit.

[Eastern Equestria]

LMFAO!

[Democratic Republic of Rhonde Island]

I am currently a St. Louis city resident, I live downtown, I am white, straight, married and gainfully employed... And I understand the reaction by the people of ferguson to this event, and I don't understand why law enforcement at every level has handled this do badly...
It is important to note that at this point it isn't about mr. Brown, it is about institutional injustice and institutional class war. The rioting that has plagued that city all week is about four hundred years of being treated like animals. I do not mean to say that the rioters are acting like animals, I mean they have spent their lives being treated as such.
Riots like this make participants feel like they may be the spark of some new consciousness, as if standing up to the tools of oppression this time will finally motivate revolutionary change for all. Something akin to the anti-monarchist riots that preceded the American revolution. And no, many of the businesses being looted aren't "theirs".
They are wrong to assume meaningful change will occur without direct and focused political action, but I get their thinking.

As for the response from law enforcement: WTF????? Don't you guys know anything about nonviolent conflict resolution? About public perception and pr management? About NOT screwing up so royally every time you do anything????? It is bad to have an officer-involved shooting. It is bad when a white cop kills a black kid.it is absolutely inexcusable to handle the aftermath the way the municipal, county, and state police have been going at it... They keep trying to put the victim on trial, they keep showing up for demonstrations dressed to kill (pardon the visual), and they keep acting like the victim in this whole affair is law enforcement instead of the community, and ultimately they have proven completely incapable of maintaining the peace.. Way to go, thin blue line, way to go.

[Asyir]

I am currently a St. Louis city resident, I live downtown, I am white, straight, married and gainfully employed... And I understand the reaction by the people of ferguson to this event, and I don't understand why law enforcement at every level has handled this do badly...
It is important to note that at this point it isn't about mr. Brown, it is about institutional injustice and institutional class war. The rioting that has plagued that city all week is about four hundred years of being treated like animals. I do not mean to say that the rioters are acting like animals, I mean they have spent their lives being treated as such.
Riots like this make participants feel like they may be the spark of some new consciousness, as if standing up to the tools of oppression this time will finally motivate revolutionary change for all. Something akin to the anti-monarchist riots that preceded the American revolution. And no, many of the businesses being looted aren't "theirs".
They are wrong to assume meaningful change will occur without direct and focused political action, but I get their thinking.

As for the response from law enforcement: WTF????? Don't you guys know anything about nonviolent conflict resolution? About public perception and pr management? About NOT screwing up so royally every time you do anything????? It is bad to have an officer-involved shooting. It is bad when a white cop kills a black kid.it is absolutely inexcusable to handle the aftermath the way the municipal, county, and state police have been going at it... They keep trying to put the victim on trial, they keep showing up for demonstrations dressed to kill (pardon the visual), and they keep acting like the victim in this whole affair is law enforcement instead of the community, and ultimately they have proven completely incapable of maintaining the peace.. Way to go, thin blue line, way to go.

I heard it's hard for police to achieve a nonviolent solution when rioters loot stores and fire upon police.

[Mavorpen]

I am currently a St. Louis city resident, I live downtown, I am white, straight, married and gainfully employed... And I understand the reaction by the people of ferguson to this event, and I don't understand why law enforcement at every level has handled this do badly...
It is important to note that at this point it isn't about mr. Brown, it is about institutional injustice and institutional class war. The rioting that has plagued that city all week is about four hundred years of being treated like animals. I do not mean to say that the rioters are acting like animals, I mean they have spent their lives being treated as such.
Riots like this make participants feel like they may be the spark of some new consciousness, as if standing up to the tools of oppression this time will finally motivate revolutionary change for all. Something akin to the anti-monarchist riots that preceded the American revolution. And no, many of the businesses being looted aren't "theirs".
They are wrong to assume meaningful change will occur without direct and focused political action, but I get their thinking.

As for the response from law enforcement: WTF????? Don't you guys know anything about nonviolent conflict resolution? About public perception and pr management? About NOT screwing up so royally every time you do anything????? It is bad to have an officer-involved shooting. It is bad when a white cop kills a black kid.it is absolutely inexcusable to handle the aftermath the way the municipal, county, and state police have been going at it... They keep trying to put the victim on trial, they keep showing up for demonstrations dressed to kill (pardon the visual), and they keep acting like the victim in this whole affair is law enforcement instead of the community, and ultimately they have proven completely incapable of maintaining the peace.. Way to go, thin blue line, way to go.

I heard it's hard for police to achieve a nonviolent solution when rioters loot stores and fire upon police.

Well sure, when it comes to certain situations, tear gas is the only readily available solution other than shooting protesters. The problem isn't necessarily the fact that tear gas is used. It's that the police force is inept in communicating with the community. And not only was that a large factor in spawning the initial problems, it was one of the main factors in perpetuating it because protesters don't understand that and assume that you're doing it only to spite them.

[Asyir]

I heard it's hard for police to achieve a nonviolent solution when rioters loot stores and fire upon police.

Well sure, when it comes to certain situations, tear gas is the only readily available solution other than shooting protesters. The problem isn't necessarily the fact that tear gas is used. It's that the police force is inept in communicating with the community. And not only was that a large factor in spawning the initial problems, it was one of the main factors in perpetuating it because protesters don't understand that and assume that you're doing it only to spite them.

True. However these rioters still need to stop. If these rioters continue this charade on National Guards, they will be fired upon, with real bullets, not tear gas. It's an inevitable situation.

[The Amyclae]

Since Mr. Brown ended face down, arms down on the ground the only conclusion we can come to conclusively is that the last shot was to his head.

He was shot twice in the head. According to the autopsy you didn't read, anyway.

Last shot =\= only shot. According to the post you didn't read, anyway.

[UED]

Well sure, when it comes to certain situations, tear gas is the only readily available solution other than shooting protesters. The problem isn't necessarily the fact that tear gas is used. It's that the police force is inept in communicating with the community. And not only was that a large factor in spawning the initial problems, it was one of the main factors in perpetuating it because protesters don't understand that and assume that you're doing it only to spite them.

True. However these rioters still need to stop. If these rioters continue this charade on National Guards, they will be fired upon, with real bullets, not tear gas. It's an inevitable situation.

Very true

[Yumyumsuppertime]

For all of you playing along at home.

[United States of The One Percent]

This is just sad. Not so much surprising. Just sad.

[The Orson Empire]

This is just sad. Not so much surprising. Just sad.

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It's really unfortunate that all of this injustice is happening because of the ludicrous notion that you should be discriminated because of a certain skin color you have. If you just take a moment and think about it, you really begin to realize how insane that sounds.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

This is just sad. Not so much surprising. Just sad.

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How the fuck would anybody expect an entire race that has had tense history with this nation's authorities from Day 1 not to see any shooting like this without racial context?