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The Amyclae
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:25 pm

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Well, I guess we'll see.

As far as I'm concerned, the autopsy report creates two scenario: (1) Mr. Brown was shot multiple times with arms up in the hair or (2) while he was charging the police officer. Since I'm very skeptical of anyone holding their arms up above their head while being shot, I've picked (2) to believe. But to each their own.

Wait, you accept Brown having superhuman invulnerability as well as being stupid and suicidal enough to charge a police officer with a gun over him being shot with his hands up in the air?

What the actual fuck.


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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:26 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Wait, you accept Brown having superhuman invulnerability as well as being stupid and suicidal enough to charge a police officer with a gun over him being shot with his hands up in the air?

What the actual fuck.


Calm down, no one's oppressing you here.

Are you fighting a strawman here?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:26 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Wait, you accept Brown having superhuman invulnerability as well as being stupid and suicidal enough to charge a police officer with a gun over him being shot with his hands up in the air?

What the actual fuck.


Calm down, no one's oppressing you here.

Huh? Who said anything about oppressing?

I'm just baffled that you sincerely believe Brown having superhuman abilities, an idiot, and/or suicidal is more plausible than him being killed while surrendering.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:29 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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Calm down, no one's oppressing you here.

Huh? Who said anything about oppressing?

I'm just baffled that you sincerely believe Brown having superhuman abilities, an idiot, and/or suicidal is more plausible than him being killed while surrendering.


There's lots of idiots in the world.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:30 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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Calm down, no one's oppressing you here.

Are you fighting a strawman here?

Are you?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:30 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Huh? Who said anything about oppressing?

I'm just baffled that you sincerely believe Brown having superhuman abilities, an idiot, and/or suicidal is more plausible than him being killed while surrendering.


There's lots of idiots in the world.

Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:30 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Huh? Who said anything about oppressing?

I'm just baffled that you sincerely believe Brown having superhuman abilities, an idiot, and/or suicidal is more plausible than him being killed while surrendering.


There's lots of idiots in the world.


It's clear you have nothing to add besides victim blaming.

That's fine, but you should probably go now.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:30 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Are you fighting a strawman here?

Are you?

No one said anything about oppression.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:32 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
The Amyclae wrote:
There's lots of idiots in the world.


It's clear you have nothing to add besides victim blaming.

That's fine, but you should probably go now.


It's not victim blaming if he's not a victim. That's sort of the point of this thread, eh?
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:32 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Amyclae wrote:Are you?

No one said anything about oppression.


No one said anything about strawmen.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:33 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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There's lots of idiots in the world.

Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.


It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:34 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
It's clear you have nothing to add besides victim blaming.

That's fine, but you should probably go now.


It's not victim blaming if he's not a victim. That's sort of the point of this thread, eh?


The point of this thread is to discuss the problem behind police brutality and the response of the police to justified protests.

Discussing whether Michael Brown was a victim was initially the point, but it's already been established that Brown was a victim, over and over again, and you missed the boat on having a rational argument when it was proven the police was making shit up to save their skin.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:34 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.


It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.

It's called a headshot...
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The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Ironic ain't it, now there really IS 47% of the country that feels like victims.

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:34 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.


It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.

And it's only in videogames and movies where people can charge people after being shot five times or would choose to risk something like that when they have nothing to gain.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:35 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No one said anything about oppression.


No one said anything about strawmen.

It looked like you were arguing against something nobody actually believed.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:35 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Who also have superhuman abilities? Please site these people. And movies or video games do not count.


It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.


Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:35 pm

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It's not victim blaming if he's not a victim. That's sort of the point of this thread, eh?


The point of this thread is to discuss the problem behind police brutality and the response of the police to justified protests.

It's already been established that Brown was a victim, over and over again, and you missed the boat on having a rational argument when it was proven the police was making shit up to save their skin.


Right, "proven" before the autopsy report has come back. Or any investigation. Why get all the facts when you have your opinion?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:35 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
It's clear you have nothing to add besides victim blaming.

That's fine, but you should probably go now.


It's not victim blaming if he's not a victim. That's sort of the point of this thread, eh?

What makes you think Brown was an idiot?
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:36 pm

The Amyclae wrote:Right, "proven" before the autopsy report has come back. Or any investigation. Why get all the facts when you have your opinion?


You seem to have a very nice opinion of your own, despite the fact that you don't have any autopsy reports (like, for example, the two that have already been released) and are defending a police force that makes its own facts.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:37 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Amyclae wrote:
No one said anything about strawmen.

It looked like you were arguing against something nobody actually believed.


Sounds like you have an eyesight problem.

The Grim Reaper wrote:
The Amyclae wrote:
It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.


Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.


Since Mr. Brown ended face down, arms down on the ground the only conclusion we can come to conclusively is that the last shot was to his head.
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Postby The Amyclae » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:39 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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It's not victim blaming if he's not a victim. That's sort of the point of this thread, eh?

What makes you think Brown was an idiot?


Because he robbed a store and then smoked some herb in the middle of a street with his ill gotten swishers. Anything after that is open to interpretation, but just taking those facts in he isn't the sharpest.
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Postby Asyir » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:41 pm

It's a shame that Mr. Brown was shot, and I understand the community's anger. I'm all for peaceful protests, it's an amendment right that I served to protect. However looting, causing violence, harming others persons or private property, shooting at police, etc. Is wrong and against everything I stand for. I realize that most protesters are peaceful, and it's not these protesters I'm upset about, it's the ones who are out to cause trouble. These troublemakers are opportunists who seek to use calamity to commit crimes and to cause trouble. These are the people that ruin peaceful protests, and force the police hands. Rioting is not justice, courts are justice, and this officer will be convicted( I hope).

I hope with the national guard there now the troublemakers will stop before there are deaths, which there will be. These troublemaking protesters will realize that the national guard are trained soldiers, and will not tolerate being fired upon, and will respond to violence with violence(sadly).

Edit: found a few spelling errors, and fixed them.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:42 pm

The Amyclae wrote:
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Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.


Since Mr. Brown ended face down, arms down on the ground the only conclusion we can come to conclusively is that the last shot was to his head.


He was shot twice in the head. According to the autopsy you didn't read, anyway.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:44 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
The Amyclae wrote:
It's only videogames and movies where people go down after one shot.


Yeah, you don't know how guns work if you think you can shoot someone in the head and they don't die.


People have survived gunshots to the head before.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:44 pm

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Condunum wrote:Looking further into this, it looks like this is nothing but a caller to a radio show saying that the officer's events were correct. Hardly a witness testimony.

This is a reporter with the Post-Dispatch. Dunno if her source is accurate or not, but I'm not sure where you're getting this radio show stuff.

The CNN store her tweet is referencing.
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