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Your religious affiliation, or lack thereof, and why?

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What do you consider yourself?

Protestant
129
13%
Catholic
153
15%
Other Christian
86
8%
Jewish
28
3%
Muslim
43
4%
Hindu
6
1%
Buddhist
33
3%
Other religion
87
9%
Not religious
456
45%
 
Total votes : 1021

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West Tristania
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Postby West Tristania » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:14 pm

I am a Protestant Christian of no particular denomination.

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:14 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:The "and worship him" is extremely heavily implied when someone says they "believe in <insert specific deity here>".

….Evidently that's not always the case, as shown in my example.

All that you've shown is that you're capable of being needlessly pedantic.
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The Brethren Court
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Postby The Brethren Court » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:14 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Brethren Court wrote:
No, I do not think it is acceptable. I believe the Law was fulfilled when Jesus was sacrificed, and thus the new doctrine was established. Ephesians is in the New Testament, btw.

Slavery only became bad after Jesus's death?


In neither testament was it said you had to accept slavery. It is possible that slavery entered the Law the same way Divorce did, by the people of Israel, and Moses giving in to them.
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:15 pm

The Brethren Court wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Slavery only became bad after Jesus's death?


In neither testament was it said you had to accept slavery. It is possible that slavery entered the Law the same way Divorce did, by the people of Israel, and Moses giving in to them.


And your scriptural support of this is? And considering the Old testament was supposedly dictated by god... God ordered slavery in the old testament.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:16 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Merizoc wrote:….Evidently that's not always the case, as shown in my example.

All that you've shown is that you're capable of being needlessly pedantic.

How about you actually address my points?

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Fanosolia
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:16 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Merizoc wrote:….Evidently that's not always the case, as shown in my example.

All that you've shown is that you're capable of being needlessly pedantic.


or you know... showing the exception to the rule?
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Rostogovia
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Postby Rostogovia » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:25 pm

Agnostic, though I believe in the animistic concept of a collective divine shared by all people.
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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:26 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:And? "The Devil" is part of christian mythology.

…..So my point is that you can believe in something, but not worship it. Isn't that pretty obvious?

Theism is defined as belief in a god, not necessarily worship of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:27 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Merizoc wrote:…..So my point is that you can believe in something, but not worship it. Isn't that pretty obvious?

Theism is defined as belief in a god, not necessarily worship of it.

But what about Christianity? That was what the debate was over. Are you considered Christian if you believe in God, but don't worship him?

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:27 pm

Rostogovia wrote:Agnostic, though I believe in the animistic concept of a collective divine shared by all people.


Sounds like agnostic theist.
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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:28 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Theism is defined as belief in a god, not necessarily worship of it.

But what about Christianity? That was what the debate was over. Are you considered Christian if you believe in God, but don't worship him?

Sorry, thought this was a different topic. What I posted was completely irrelevant. Woops. :P

Yeah, you can believe in Christ and the Christian god without following the teachings of Christ, thus not being a Christian.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:30 pm

Zottistan wrote:
Merizoc wrote:But what about Christianity? That was what the debate was over. Are you considered Christian if you believe in God, but don't worship him?

Sorry, thought this was a different topic. What I posted was completely irrelevant. Woops. :P

Yeah, you can believe in Christ and the Christian god without following the teachings of Christ, thus not being a Christian.

S'okay. Just make sure it doesn't happen again….or else. :p

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:All that you've shown is that you're capable of being needlessly pedantic.

How about you actually address my points?

I did.
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West Tristania
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Postby West Tristania » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:34 pm

Rostogovia wrote:Agnostic, though I believe in the animistic concept of a collective divine shared by all people.

What is this "collective divine" your talking about?

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:35 pm

West Tristania wrote:
Rostogovia wrote:Agnostic, though I believe in the animistic concept of a collective divine shared by all people.

What is this "collective divine" your talking about?

All the deities have gathered together in a commune.
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Fanosolia
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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:37 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
West Tristania wrote:What is this "collective divine" your talking about?

All the deities have gathered together in a commune.
*nods*

I always joked there was a council of deities XD
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:16 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Merizoc wrote:How about you actually address my points?

I did.

No, you didn't. Again, how can somebody who believes in God, but doesn't worship him, be considered a Christian, when there are people who believe in Satan, but aren't Satanists?

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Rhursbourg
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Postby Rhursbourg » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:05 pm

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Vendee-Anjou
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Postby Vendee-Anjou » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:46 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Vendee-Anjou wrote:What exactly is the "evidence" for atheism?


Burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of god.


Perhaps, but when someone mentions "actual evidence" they are assuming the burden of proof, aren't they?

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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:48 pm

Vendee-Anjou wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of god.


Perhaps, but when someone mentions "actual evidence" they are assuming the burden of proof, aren't they?


And I was kind enough top provide the evidence.
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Postby Vendee-Anjou » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:48 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Vendee-Anjou wrote:What exactly is the "evidence" for atheism?

The evidence for atheism is the complete lack of evidence for theism.


That is not evidence. "You cannot prove A, so not-A must be true." That is a logical fallacy.

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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:49 pm

Vendee-Anjou wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of god.


Perhaps, but when someone mentions "actual evidence" they are assuming the burden of proof, aren't they?

Atheists don't claim to prove anything anymore than people who don't believe in an orbital teapot claim to prove anything.

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:02 pm

Vendee-Anjou wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of god.


Perhaps, but when someone mentions "actual evidence" they are assuming the burden of proof, aren't they?

No.
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Postby Vendee-Anjou » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:04 pm

United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:
Vendee-Anjou wrote:What exactly is the "evidence" for atheism?

The complete lack of evidence for Theism, plus the fact that Physicists trying to see the conditions of the early Universe, occurring right after the Big Bang have found that all the conditions can be explained by the Laws of Physics.

Source: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xw5m4j ... verse_tech


1. Complete lack of evidence for something is not positive evidence for its opposite.
2. I took a look at the video (I confess I did not watch the whole thing). I got the part about physicists seeing an inexplicable "mechanism" underlying the universe as an alternative to positing the existence of an intelligent Supreme Being. But all this proves is that God is no longer a necessary hypothesis for the existence of the universe. It is still not evidence for the non-existence of God (which is what the original poster asserted).

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