Your religious affiliation, or lack thereof, and why?

[Aetur]

Provided they believed that one day the Messiah would come to atone for their sins, then they would be saved. The New Testament is quite clear on that issue.

So Moses then is in Hell?

No. While the Old Testament doesn't go into detail about the beliefs of the Patriarchs, it is generally understood in Baptist circles that anyone that the the New Testament describes as righteous is in Heaven.

[Menassa]

So Moses then is in Hell?

No. While the Old Testament doesn't go into detail about the beliefs of the Patriarchs, it is generally understood in Baptist circles that anyone that the the New Testament describes as righteous is in Heaven.

So all the Jews in the Old Testament are in heaven, but the Jews today are dammed?

[Aetur]

No. While the Old Testament doesn't go into detail about the beliefs of the Patriarchs, it is generally understood in Baptist circles that anyone that the the New Testament describes as righteous is in Heaven.

So all the Jews in the Old Testament are in heaven, but the Jews today are dammed?

Well, I wouldn't say that all Old Testament Jews were saved, in fact I should hope that certain members of the tribe of Benjamin mentioned in 1 Samuel (I don't mean King Saul) are not in Heaven. However, today, religious Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah, which is universally agreed upon by Christians to be the core principle of Christianity, and are thus condemned.

[Rhodevus]

So all the Jews in the Old Testament are in heaven, but the Jews today are dammed?

Well, I wouldn't say that all Old Testament Jews were saved, in fact I should hope that certain members of the tribe of Benjamin mentioned in 1 Samuel (I don't mean King Saul) are not in Heaven. However, today, religious Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah, which is universally agreed upon by Christians to be the core principle of Christianity, and are thus condemned.

By this logic, if a baby dies without getting baptized, then he or she is going to hell. Babies would not even know what jesus is...

[Menassa]

So all the Jews in the Old Testament are in heaven, but the Jews today are dammed?

Well, I wouldn't say that all Old Testament Jews were saved, in fact I should hope that certain members of the tribe of Benjamin mentioned in 1 Samuel (I don't mean King Saul) are not in Heaven. However, today, religious Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah, which is universally agreed upon by Christians to be the core principle of Christianity, and are thus condemned.

Well I should hope as that's what Mark 16:16 says.
But all the righteous Jews who never knew of a Jesus, they're in heaven while their brothers and sisters of a latter date are in hell, makes sense.

[Aetur]

Well, I wouldn't say that all Old Testament Jews were saved, in fact I should hope that certain members of the tribe of Benjamin mentioned in 1 Samuel (I don't mean King Saul) are not in Heaven. However, today, religious Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah, which is universally agreed upon by Christians to be the core principle of Christianity, and are thus condemned.

By this logic, if a baby dies without getting baptized, then he or she is going to hell. Babies would not even know what jesus is...

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

[Menassa]

By this logic, if a baby dies without getting baptized, then he or she is going to hell. Babies would not even know what jesus is...

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

But that's no in the scripture, is it?

[Aetur]

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

But that's no in the scripture, is it?

There is a command to be baptised, but it is only for those are saved (i.e., have made a choice to accept Jesus). It is a sin not to be baptised IF and only if you are saved. For the unsaved, it is a completely empty gesture.

[Menassa]

But that's no in the scripture, is it?

There is a command to be baptised, but it is only for those are saved (i.e., have made a choice to accept Jesus). It is a sin not to be baptised IF and only if you are saved. For the unsaved, it is a completely empty gesture.

So following that through if those who believe and are baptized are saved and those not are condemned (as Mark says) then a baby who cannot believe and therefore cannot be baptized is condemned?

[Dalcaria]

I find it weird that there's not an "Agnostic" option. That is, not being atheist but also not a theist.

Born Roman catholic, being agnostic but still leaning a bit on Roman catholicism with protestant opinions on work disclipine and such.

Actually there are about 4 options with that. Agnostic Atheist, Gnostic Atheist, Agnostic Theist, Gnostic Theist, so they missed a couple important options in my opinion.

[Neutraligon]

By this logic, if a baby dies without getting baptized, then he or she is going to hell. Babies would not even know what jesus is...

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

That is some pretty dangerous ideas right there. If that is the case, then the greatest gift a parent can give their child is to ensure that child never reaches the age of accountability.

[Aetur]

There is a command to be baptised, but it is only for those are saved (i.e., have made a choice to accept Jesus). It is a sin not to be baptised IF and only if you are saved. For the unsaved, it is a completely empty gesture.

So following that through if those who believe and are baptized are saved and those not are condemned (as Mark says) then a baby who cannot believe and therefore cannot be baptized is condemned?

Back to age of accountability. Anyone who cannot understand the Gospel (babies, toddlers, most would say young children, and people with severe mental disabilities) is immune from hell.

[Menassa]

So following that through if those who believe and are baptized are saved and those not are condemned (as Mark says) then a baby who cannot believe and therefore cannot be baptized is condemned?

Back to age of accountability. Anyone who cannot understand the Gospel (babies, toddlers, most would say young children, and people with severe mental disabilities) is immune from hell.

Back to my question about whether that is in Scripture or not.

[Aetur]

Back to age of accountability. Anyone who cannot understand the Gospel (babies, toddlers, most would say young children, and people with severe mental disabilities) is immune from hell.

Back to my question about whether that is in Scripture or not.

Jeremiah 31:29-30. I'm having problems with my mouse, so it's hard to copy/paste, but to summarize, people are condemned for sin they themselves have committed. Sin cannot be inherited, although a sin nature can. The age of accountability is similar to the Jewish Bar Mitzvah/Bat Mitzvah. At the age of accountability, in the eyes of God, a individual is at the point where they can be held morally responsible for their sin.

[Menassa]

Back to my question about whether that is in Scripture or not.

Jeremiah 31:29-30. I'm having problems with my mouse, so it's hard to copy/paste, but to summarize, people are condemned for sin they themselves have committed. Sin cannot be inherited, although a sin nature can. The age of accountability is similar to the Jewish Bar Mitzvah/Bat Mitzvah. At the age of accountability, in the eyes of God, a individual is at the point where they can be held morally responsible for their sin.

So then as Ezekiel 18 says if people suffer for their own sin and not the sins of others, then why do we need the Blood of Jesus? How can he be accountable for our sins, when we are supposed to be?

Additionally while the age of accountability makes sense, it still doesn't seem to be in Scripture.

[Bari]

By this logic, if a baby dies without getting baptized, then he or she is going to hell. Babies would not even know what jesus is...

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation.

[Great Kleomentia]

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation.

Dear me, i'm sure fucked then, aren't i?

[Menassa]

Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation.

Dear me, i'm sure fucked then, aren't i?

You and 5.8 Billion other people.

[Nargodia]

Theistic Satanist here. Hello, Christians.

The shock value, it's too real.

Hahaha! Yeah... It's not just that though. But I'm not part of some baby eating blood drink monster cult from the bat cave, like the media tries getting people to think. I generally just believe Satan to be a thoughtform and an adverserial force representing the outcasts of society as well as independent thinking and indulgence instead of submission to doctrine and abstinence like religion these days promotes. I also embrace a few pagan beliefs, so I'm rather eclectic.

[Great Kleomentia]

Dear me, i'm sure fucked then, aren't i?

You and 5.8 Billion other people.

That God sure is a prankster.

[Menassa]

The shock value, it's too real.

Hahaha! Yeah... It's not just that though. But I'm not part of some baby eating blood drink monster cult from the bat cave, like the media tries getting people to think. I generally just believe Satan to be a thoughtform and an adverserial force representing the outcasts of society as well as independent thinking and indulgence instead of submission to doctrine and abstinence like religion these days promotes. I also embrace a few pagan beliefs, so I'm rather eclectic.

By 'religion' you mean Christianity?
You will find Judaism has an alternative opinion of Satan.

[Great Kleomentia]

The shock value, it's too real.

Hahaha! Yeah... It's not just that though. But I'm not part of some baby eating blood drink monster cult from the bat cave, like the media tries getting people to think. I generally just believe Satan to be a thoughtform and an adverserial force representing the outcasts of society as well as independent thinking and indulgence instead of submission to doctrine and abstinence like religion these days promotes. I also embrace a few pagan beliefs, so I'm rather eclectic.

Do you identify with LaVeyan Satanism?

[Ublia]

1. Baptism cannot save you
2. Most Baptists(myself included) believe in "the age of accountability." Basically, you automatically get into Heaven if you are incapable of understanding the Gospel.

Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation.

Hardly. Being a Deist I personally don't believe such things. And why does suddenly getting bathed in 'holy' water grant you salvation? I mean does that mean if a serial rapist and murderer right before say he's put to death get baptized he should automatically go to Heaven -if there is such a thing- hmmm? Personally if anything if there is a god I think it'd be more interested in seeing if one led a virtuous life over getting dunked...

[Rhodevus]

Hahaha! Yeah... It's not just that though. But I'm not part of some baby eating blood drink monster cult from the bat cave, like the media tries getting people to think. I generally just believe Satan to be a thoughtform and an adverserial force representing the outcasts of society as well as independent thinking and indulgence instead of submission to doctrine and abstinence like religion these days promotes. I also embrace a few pagan beliefs, so I'm rather eclectic.

By 'religion' you mean Christianity?
You will find Judaism has an alternative opinion of Satan.

yup...

And you are a Tanna!! Very nice.
I'm just your average Jew... Cohen.

And from what I learnt in Judaism, if a non-Jew follows the ten commandments, then they are considered a "good" person and will go to heaven.
While a Jew needs to perform all the commandments. This definitely makes more sense than saying that if we do not believe in Jesus we are condemmed to eternal torture.

[Bari]

Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is necessary for salvation.

Hardly. Being a Deist I personally don't believe such things. And why does suddenly getting bathed in 'holy' water grant you salvation? I mean does that mean if a serial rapist and murderer right before say he's put to death get baptized he should automatically go to Heaven -if there is such a thing- hmmm? Personally if anything if there is a god I think it'd be more interested in seeing if one led a virtuous life over getting dunked...

Did I say baptism automatically leads to Heaven? No. In point of fact, I said it is necessary for salvation. You made the faulty conclusion that, it being necessary for salvation, it leads automatically to Heaven. So do not take your theological incompetence out on me.