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Your religious affiliation, or lack thereof, and why?

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What do you consider yourself?

Protestant
129
13%
Catholic
153
15%
Other Christian
86
8%
Jewish
28
3%
Muslim
43
4%
Hindu
6
1%
Buddhist
33
3%
Other religion
87
9%
Not religious
456
45%
 
Total votes : 1021

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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:44 pm

Zavina wrote:I'm actually a deist. Believe it or not, we still exist.

I thought we got rid of you in the last great purge. Nevermind, i'll fix it. *pulls out gun*

Jokes aside, i haven't ever met a deist. By "Creator" do you mean a omnipotent being or something else?
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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:45 pm

Zavina wrote:I'm actually a deist. Believe it or not, we still exist.

I don't believe it.
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Postby Menassa » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:47 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Atheist until proven otherwise. Besides, what deity would care that we believe solely in itself? Wouldn't it be a benevolent deity's will that we serve and love our fellow man?

If said man was created in image of said deity, probably.
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Postby Bari » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:47 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
Othelos wrote:So, deist with pagan leanings?


So to speak. Personally I prefer to avoid labeling my beliefs as any particular -ism, since -isms imply a particular set of beliefs and particular requirements one is required to meet in order to qualify as a genuine -ist.

I think "believer in God" is quite adequate in describing my religious beliefs.

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One of the reasons why I reject organized religions is their emphasis on extracting favours from God through prayer and observance of religious norms. I think that God has already given men everything they will ever need - a pair of legs, a pair of arms and the power of reason to decide how to best wield them, and a whole world to make into heaven or hell at their own discretion. To ask for anything more would be insolence of the worst kind.

I find that the reason why many people renounce God is their failure to understand they aren't in any way deserving of special treatment, of divine intervention on their behalf. God isn't there to nurse and pamper people and their individual wants and desires, he's is simply the Creator and Provider, creating things and providing them with just what they need to grow and thrive, no more and no less.


Can't you just call yourself a theist and stop being so melodramatic about a suffix?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:05 pm

Atheist, because I see no reason to believe what most religions claim.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:06 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Zavina wrote:I'm actually a deist. Believe it or not, we still exist.

I thought we got rid of you in the last great purge. Nevermind, i'll fix it. *pulls out gun*

Jokes aside, i haven't ever met a deist. By "Creator" do you mean a omnipotent being or something else?

http://deism.com/deism_defined.htm

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Czechanada
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Postby Czechanada » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:07 pm

Genivaria wrote:Atheist, because I see no reason to believe what most religions claim.


Apatheism is far superior to atheism.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:07 pm

Bari wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
So to speak. Personally I prefer to avoid labeling my beliefs as any particular -ism, since -isms imply a particular set of beliefs and particular requirements one is required to meet in order to qualify as a genuine -ist.

I think "believer in God" is quite adequate in describing my religious beliefs.

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One of the reasons why I reject organized religions is their emphasis on extracting favours from God through prayer and observance of religious norms. I think that God has already given men everything they will ever need - a pair of legs, a pair of arms and the power of reason to decide how to best wield them, and a whole world to make into heaven or hell at their own discretion. To ask for anything more would be insolence of the worst kind.

I find that the reason why many people renounce God is their failure to understand they aren't in any way deserving of special treatment, of divine intervention on their behalf. God isn't there to nurse and pamper people and their individual wants and desires, he's is simply the Creator and Provider, creating things and providing them with just what they need to grow and thrive, no more and no less.


Can't you just call yourself a theist and stop being so melodramatic about a suffix?

Theism is too mainstream.

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Great Kleomentia
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:I thought we got rid of you in the last great purge. Nevermind, i'll fix it. *pulls out gun*

Jokes aside, i haven't ever met a deist. By "Creator" do you mean a omnipotent being or something else?

http://deism.com/deism_defined.htm

Thanks.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:10 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:

Thanks.

Used to be one, used that site alot.

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Sun Wukong
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:07 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I choose to believe in a God - if I am wrong and there is no God, I stand to lose nothing anyway, but in case there is one after all, I'd rather want to be on good terms with him when my time to meet him comes.

I don't subscribe to any particular religion though. I'm more fond of my ancestral pagan beliefs and ethics than those of contemporary organized religions, but it would be an overstatement to call myself a Pagan.

I've never understood this at all. How can you choose to believe in something? How are beliefs not an obligate condition?

I can no more choose to believe in Zeus then I can choose to believe the sky is made of shag carpeting.
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:52 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I choose to believe in a God - if I am wrong and there is no God, I stand to lose nothing anyway, but in case there is one after all, I'd rather want to be on good terms with him when my time to meet him comes.
I don't subscribe to any particular religion though. I'm more fond of my ancestral pagan beliefs and ethics than those of contemporary organized religions, but it would be an overstatement to call myself a Pagan.

I've never understood this at all. How can you choose to believe in something? How are beliefs not an obligate condition?
I can no more choose to believe in Zeus then I can choose to believe the sky is made of shag carpeting.

I concur.

Either he's convinced himself he believes when he does not, or he does believe and has convinced himself that it was a choice when it was not (Pascal's Wager being used justify it).
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Postby Brickistan » Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:47 am

Menassa wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
I am. But I was referring to his thoughts on New Atheism, and people having the right to their own beliefs/spirituality.

People generally do have rights to belief...


I agree. And yet I disagree...

You have the right to your own belief, yes. But you do not have the right to your own facts. And when your beliefs start replacing facts (as it does for many hard-core religious people), then I have a serious issue with what you're doing.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I choose to believe in a God - if I am wrong and there is no God, I stand to lose nothing anyway, but in case there is one after all, I'd rather want to be on good terms with him when my time to meet him comes.

I don't subscribe to any particular religion though. I'm more fond of my ancestral pagan beliefs and ethics than those of contemporary organized religions, but it would be an overstatement to call myself a Pagan.


Pascal's Wager has been thoroughly debunked.

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Nargodia
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Postby Nargodia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:15 am

Theistic Satanist here. Hello, Christians. :)


This nation does not represent my views (although it pretty much did at first). The Khanazhk Alliance does in most ways, however, so I'll be using that as my main nation from now on.

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Aetur
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Postby Aetur » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:13 am

I consider myself a Baptist. Now, before the hate starts, let me explain. I believe that the most central flaw in humanity is sin, and that "the Christian religion," for lack of a better term, is the personal journey to become more like God through prayer and reading the Bible, and encourage others on their journey.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:17 am

Nargodia wrote:Theistic Satanist here. Hello, Christians. :)

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Postby Aetur » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:23 am

Nargodia wrote:Theistic Satanist here. Hello, Christians. :)


Hello, Theistic Satanist.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:06 am

Brickistan wrote:
Menassa wrote:People generally do have rights to belief...


I agree. And yet I disagree...

You have the right to your own belief, yes. But you do not have the right to your own facts. And when your beliefs start replacing facts (as it does for many hard-core religious people), then I have a serious issue with what you're doing.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I choose to believe in a God - if I am wrong and there is no God, I stand to lose nothing anyway, but in case there is one after all, I'd rather want to be on good terms with him when my time to meet him comes.

I don't subscribe to any particular religion though. I'm more fond of my ancestral pagan beliefs and ethics than those of contemporary organized religions, but it would be an overstatement to call myself a Pagan.


Pascal's Wager has been thoroughly debunked.

Then explain why the third option of pascals wager exists?
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Postby Menassa » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:09 am

Aetur wrote:I consider myself a Baptist. Now, before the hate starts, let me explain. I believe that the most central flaw in humanity is sin, and that "the Christian religion," for lack of a better term, is the personal journey to become more like God through prayer and reading the Bible, and encourage others on their journey.

And you believe of course that the only way humanity can be free of its depraved state is to be washed in the blood of Jesus?
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Benuty » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:10 am

Menassa wrote:
Aetur wrote:I consider myself a Baptist. Now, before the hate starts, let me explain. I believe that the most central flaw in humanity is sin, and that "the Christian religion," for lack of a better term, is the personal journey to become more like God through prayer and reading the Bible, and encourage others on their journey.

And you believe of course that the only way humanity can be free of its depraved state is to be washed in the blood of Jesus?

That sounds alot like Elizabeth Batory.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:13 am

Benuty wrote:
Menassa wrote:And you believe of course that the only way humanity can be free of its depraved state is to be washed in the blood of Jesus?

That sounds alot like Elizabeth Batory.

I doubt that's why she did what she did. She was a serial killer, a psychopath, pure and simple. The stories of her trying to retain her youth by bathing in the blood of her victims are all late and after her death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory
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Postby Silverfield » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:16 am

Modern Orthodox Judaism, but I have a strong disdain for Zionism.
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Postby Menassa » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:22 am

Silverfield wrote:Modern Orthodox Judaism, but I have a strong disdain for Zionism.

Well it's lucky for you then that Zionism isn't a required religious practice.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby Silverfield » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:27 am

Menassa wrote:
Silverfield wrote:Modern Orthodox Judaism, but I have a strong disdain for Zionism.

Well it's lucky for you then that Zionism isn't a required religious practice.


Thank you, I know many that feel that it is and should be.
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