SWB: Shopping While Black

[Polkopia]

Did you read the other reports that have been posted? It clearly says he was waving it around.

*According to the Ritchie's

And the Ritchie's aren't a reliable source because... why?

[Wisconsin9]

Pretty sure this has more to do with a guy walking around with what looks like a gun in the place that just experienced a mass shooting. Today people are afraid of other people with guns, they shouldn't be but there have been so many shootings.... it's hard not to be careful. It's sad that this man died, but I don't blame the guy for calling the police. He was afraid. Crazy isn't specific to one race, and neither is racism. People who can't look past race for answers, are usually pretty racist. A big black guy with a fire arm can be just as intimidating as a big white guy with a fire arm.

I don't really blame the guy who called the cops, either. It's what I'd do if I saw someone waving a gun around. No, I blame the cops who shot him.

[Iron Dog]

The owner's manual for the MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle warns that misuse can result in serious injury or death. And it specifically warns about waving it in public. "Police and others may think it is a firearm," the manual states.

[Condunum]

There isn't any report of him pointing the gun at the police! Fucks sake, there's even a report of him saying "It's not real" right before he got shot. Police fuck up and have to face the consequences for it. Sorry if you don't like it.

According to the article, after he was down, Crawford tried to get up and go for either the officer or try to grab the gun again. Sounds pretty threatening to me. Whether it was real or not, you can't risk losing a few police officers. Hell, people can say that a real gun isn't real as much as they like! For all they know, he could've been lying before grabbing the gun and shooting them.

Now this is a stretch if I ever saw one. For one, the only report of him going for the gun after going down comes from the Ritchie's, commenting after the event. Regardless, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the cops with feather fingers shot him before they'd assessed the situation. Had they done so, they would have just detained him at the most.

[GraySoap]

The other day I saw a black person at the state fair. It really threw off my groove. Normally there aren't black people.

Some idiot like me must have panicked and called the police. But why the police officer needed to shoot him I'm unaware. All he had to do was escort him from the store.

[Wisconsin9]

The owner's manual for the MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle warns that misuse can result in serious injury or death. And it specifically warns about waving it in public. "Police and others may think it is a firearm," the manual states.

That doesn't excuse the cops who shot him.

[Maurepas]

If they're trained they should be able to tell the difference between an actual firearm and an airsoft gun, and certainly shouldn't be so trigger happy they're firing on a guy carrying the latter. If that's "training" it's incompetent training.

They constantly go up against people who could be legitimately threatening them with firearms. If you don't put down your gun like object as soon as they tell you to they will react.

In an apparently deadly fashion regardless of whether they are actually threatened or not. That is not protecting people, that's being trigger happy.

[Condunum]

*According to the Ritchie's

And the Ritchie's aren't a reliable source because... why?

I never said that.

[Iron Dog]

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.s ... o_man.html

A man in a southwest Ohio Wal-Mart store waved a rifle at customers, including children, and was fatally shot by police when he wouldn't drop the weapon, according to police and a recorded 911 call from a witness.
It says he REFUSED to drop it.

[The Sotoan Union]

They constantly go up against people who could be legitimately threatening them with firearms. If you don't put down your gun like object as soon as they tell you to they will react.

In an apparently deadly fashion regardless of whether they are actually threatened or not. That is not protecting people, that's being trigger happy.

It's how police are trained. It's unfair to assume they had no provocation for shooting him and that they were just "trigger happy". I seriously doubt they didn't ask him to put down the gun.

[Condunum]

The owner's manual for the MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle warns that misuse can result in serious injury or death. And it specifically warns about waving it in public. "Police and others may think it is a firearm," the manual states.

That doesn't excuse shooting him. The two cops fucked up.

[The Serbian Empire]

To prevent these unfortunate accidents from happening again in the future, stores should not sell airguns that may be mistaken for real guns.

They don't. All airsoft guns have distinctive orange tips, and distinguishing markers on them, as required by US Law.

For transport under US Law they need orange tips or be completely clear. Only Michigan demands them to be sold with orange tips, but Michigan has 10 million people in it and the cost of making orange tips had to be lower than the loss of sales of not being able to sell them in Michigan.

[Gauthier]

The other day I saw a black person at the state fair. It really threw off my groove. Normally there aren't black people.

Some idiot like me must have panicked and called the police. But why the police officer needed to shoot him I'm unaware. All he had to do was escort him from the store.

Black people have this magical ability to turn anything they hold (wallet, bag of Skittles, air rifles, cotton balls...) into deadly weapons.

[Condunum]

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2014/08/police_fatally_shoot_ohio_man.html

A man in a southwest Ohio Wal-Mart store waved a rifle at customers, including children, and was fatally shot by police when he wouldn't drop the weapon, according to police and a recorded 911 call from a witness.
It says he REFUSED to drop it.

Which justifies shooting him how?

[Infected Mushroom]

The owner's manual for the MK-177 BB/Pellet rifle warns that misuse can result in serious injury or death. And it specifically warns about waving it in public. "Police and others may think it is a firearm," the manual states.

That doesn't excuse the cops who shot him.

they thought he had a real gun and he was waving it around.

if you were the police would you take the chance? he could have shot you or anyone else in the store.

[The Serbian Empire]

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2014/08/police_fatally_shoot_ohio_man.html

A man in a southwest Ohio Wal-Mart store waved a rifle at customers, including children, and was fatally shot by police when he wouldn't drop the weapon, according to police and a recorded 911 call from a witness.
It says he REFUSED to drop it.

A rifle doesn't have that nice orange tip to show if it's real or fake.

[Earth in Roughly 1000 Years]

So in otherwords you have no valid argument to respond with...okay. Thanks for conceding.

If you'd like, you can get your head out of your ass and say something constructive. Your argument doesn't relate, I repeat again.

Illustrating the point that not all people will admit they feel threatened is completely valid. You're the one who hasn't provided a single good argument in the thread and instead resorted to one word responses.

[Polkopia]

According to the article, after he was down, Crawford tried to get up and go for either the officer or try to grab the gun again. Sounds pretty threatening to me. Whether it was real or not, you can't risk losing a few police officers. Hell, people can say that a real gun isn't real as much as they like! For all they know, he could've been lying before grabbing the gun and shooting them.

Now this is a stretch if I ever saw one. For one, the only report of him going for the gun after going down comes from the Ritchie's, commenting after the event. Regardless, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the cops with feather fingers shot him before they'd assessed the situation. Had they done so, they would have just detained him at the most.

The only argument you've managed to give for the majority of this thread was "The report came from the Ritchie's. Therefore it doesn't matter."

That's not really a solid argument. All you're saying is that an eyewitness's report is null and void because they were the ones who called the cops in the first place.

[Wisconsin9]

That doesn't excuse the cops who shot him.

they thought he had a real gun and he was waving it around.

if you were the police would you take the chance? he could have shot you or anyone else in the store.

I think I probably would have tried a taser first.

[Condunum]

If you'd like, you can get your head out of your ass and say something constructive. Your argument doesn't relate, I repeat again.

Illustrating the point that not all people will admit they feel threatened is completely valid. You're the one who hasn't provided a single good argument in the thread and instead resorted to one word responses.

Rape victims don't speak up out of societal pressure. I know, I am one. People who "feel threatened" by someone in a wal-mart report that to the police, because the police ask and they respond honestly. You know why? Because there isn't an overbearing societal pressure to stay silent about what happened because it's your fault in the eyes of many. So, again. Not related.

[Gauthier]

Man arrested after open-carrying an AR-15 into Texas mall

On the other hand, a white man carrying an actual rifle into a mall is politely arrested instead of being shot at the slightest flinch.

[The Serbian Empire]

they thought he had a real gun and he was waving it around.

if you were the police would you take the chance? he could have shot you or anyone else in the store.

I think I probably would have tried a taser first.

Tazers are certainly less lethal than shooting with a gun. I wonder if this police department refused to adopt the less lethal options.

[Iron Dog]

they thought he had a real gun and he was waving it around.

if you were the police would you take the chance? he could have shot you or anyone else in the store.

I think I probably would have tried a taser first.

Have you ever been in the situation the requires you to think about it? Most likely you would have done what the police did and go with their training.

[Infected Mushroom]

they thought he had a real gun and he was waving it around.

if you were the police would you take the chance? he could have shot you or anyone else in the store.

I think I probably would have tried a taser first.

if you hit him with a taser the gun could suddenly go off, endangering others.

Also, if he was facing the officers while waving the gun around, they might not have the time to pull out a taser before they were shot. I'm assuming they entered with their guns out already since they got a call about a suspect armed with a firearm.

[The Serbian Empire]

Man arrested after open-carrying an AR-15 into Texas mall

On the other hand, a white man carrying an actual rifle into a mall is politely arrested instead of being shot at the slightest flinch.

I think this proves that cops are a lot more trigger happy when the person is black than white.