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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:53 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:And, of course, the grand jury chose not to indict. This is a gross miscarriage of justice.

Go, go Gadget Wrongful Death Suit!

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:And, of course, the grand jury chose not to indict. This is a gross miscarriage of justice.

Go, go Gadget Wrongful Death Suit!


To think, the entirety of a department could have been saved from two fuck-ups if they'd just handed them up.

But now the whole department might go because of a civil suit.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:01 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Go, go Gadget Wrongful Death Suit!


To think, the entirety of a department could have been saved from two fuck-ups if they'd just handed them up.

But now the whole department might go because of a civil suit.

Well, no, the town is not going to close down the police department if they lose the suit. The town will have to pay the damages, anyway.
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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:12 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:And, of course, the grand jury chose not to indict. This is a gross miscarriage of justice.

You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:22 am

Murkwood wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:And, of course, the grand jury chose not to indict. This is a gross miscarriage of justice.

You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.


What other facts would, in your mind, mitigate the behaviour shown by the police officers in the video?

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:23 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.


What other facts would, in your mind, mitigate the behaviour shown by the police officers in the video?

I'm not on the jury, so I'm not going to make presumptions of innocence or guilt.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:25 am

Murkwood wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:And, of course, the grand jury chose not to indict. This is a gross miscarriage of justice.

You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.

And you don't know if we have all the facts, so we don't have the facts, so you don't know if we have all of the facts...

Wait, what was the point again?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:28 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.

And you don't know if we have all the facts, so we don't have the facts, so you don't know if we have all of the facts...

Wait, what was the point again?

"LEAVE THE POLICE ALONE!"

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:54 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You don't have all the facts, so you can't know.

And you don't know if we have all the facts, so we don't have the facts, so you don't know if we have all of the facts...

Wait, what was the point again?

You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if Justice has been served or not.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:03 am

Murkwood wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And you don't know if we have all the facts, so we don't have the facts, so you don't know if we have all of the facts...

Wait, what was the point again?

You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if Justice has been served or not.

How do you know Mavorpen isn't on the jury?

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if Justice has been served or not.

How do you know Mavorpen isn't on the jury?

That's too unlikely to be given any thought.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:23 am

Murkwood wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What other facts would, in your mind, mitigate the behaviour shown by the police officers in the video?

I'm not on the jury, so I'm not going to make presumptions of innocence or guilt.


That wasn't what I asked.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:27 am

Other Thafoo wrote:what the fucking fuck marinated in fuck sauce this makes me so angry


watch the language, try to be more civil
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 am

Murkwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How do you know Mavorpen isn't on the jury?

That's too unlikely to be given any thought.

But the possible existence of some fact or facts that excuses the police officers' actions is likely enough to be given consideration?

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:30 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Other Thafoo wrote:what the fucking fuck marinated in fuck sauce this makes me so angry


watch the language, try to be more civil


There's nothing fucking civil about any of this shit.

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
Murkwood wrote:That's too unlikely to be given any thought.

But the possible existence of some fact or facts that excuses the police officers' actions is likely enough to be given consideration?

Since the grand jury acquitted him, yes.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:31 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
watch the language, try to be more civil


There's nothing fucking civil about any of this shit.

Staying civil during a trial involving race is actually a pretty good thing to do.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:33 am

Murkwood wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And you don't know if we have all the facts, so we don't have the facts, so you don't know if we have all of the facts...

Wait, what was the point again?

You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if Justice has been served or not.

You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if I know if justice has been served or not.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:39 am

Murkwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But the possible existence of some fact or facts that excuses the police officers' actions is likely enough to be given consideration?

Since the grand jury acquitted him, yes.

Why are you writing off the possibility of a miscarriage of justice?

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Since the grand jury acquitted him, yes.

Why are you writing off the possibility of a miscarriage of justice?


'Cuz juries never make mistakes, obvi.

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:41 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Murkwood wrote:You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if Justice has been served or not.

You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if I know if justice has been served or not.

I'm not saying if Justice has been served or not. I'm just saying that neither you nor I can know.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Murkwood » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Since the grand jury acquitted him, yes.

Why are you writing off the possibility of a miscarriage of justice?

I'm not writing that off. I'm doing the opposite. I'm saying that the jury acquitted him, so obviously they were convinced by something. Maybe that's right, maybe that not. We can't know either way.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:45 am

Murkwood wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if I know if justice has been served or not.

I'm not saying if Justice has been served or not. I'm just saying that neither you nor I can know.


So these magical facts haven't been released to the public in order to head off these protests and the opinion that the police force is at best incompetent and at worst racist because what? The local justice services like doing their job on hard mode?

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:47 am

Murkwood wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You aren't on the jury, so it's extremely unlikely for you to know if I know if justice has been served or not.

I'm not saying if Justice has been served or not. I'm just saying that neither you nor I can know.

And since you weren't on the jury you can't know whether I know.

It's seriously like you're intentionally missing my point.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:55 am

Murkwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why are you writing off the possibility of a miscarriage of justice?

I'm not writing that off. I'm doing the opposite. I'm saying that the jury acquitted him,

I don't think declining to indict is the same as acquittal.
so obviously they were convinced by something. Maybe that's right, maybe that not. We can't know either way.

So thread over, I guess. Let's all go home and never criticise the police again, guys.

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