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what do you identify as?

white, non-hispanic
604
68%
hispanic
46
5%
black
49
6%
asian
53
6%
native american
11
1%
mixed
68
8%
other
58
7%
 
Total votes : 889

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:26 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:The fact of the matter is that at this point, lots of people want to punch each other in the face, and are looking for an excuse to do it. No matter what happens now, somebody will have an excuse to get pissed.


Okay, and? What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't discuss the issue because some people will get angry and disagree? Because, if so, that's stupid.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:28 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Democratic voters voting for socialism? What?


Yep, you heard it here first; if you are a democrat you're a socialist1.

1totally ignoring the fact that even U.S. Democrats are right-wing.


No no, you don't understand. You see, the Republicans are the centre, therefore, anything to the left of them is socialism (even if it's waving a flag that says "We love capitalism"--because, then, it's obviously just socialism in disguise).
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Your argument is invalid.

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UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N
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Postby UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:31 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:No its fact's look around you it's seen every day and didn't say that to make seem I was taking about all blacks or any other group of people. If you can't see that then there is no hope for. It's sad when half of all these post are bias and ignorant. Half of every one on hear don't understand the world works including you it's not rocket science.


I think we understand more about the world than you do in fact, which is why we don't just go "aw shit, maybe I should just take it in the ass and shut up like the nice monkey I am" but go "this is seriously fucked up, we need to do something".
and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:39 pm

UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I think we understand more about the world than you do in fact, which is why we don't just go "aw shit, maybe I should just take it in the ass and shut up like the nice monkey I am" but go "this is seriously fucked up, we need to do something".


and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.


I never said you were a monkey, so stop putting words in my mouth.
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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:41 pm

UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I think we understand more about the world than you do in fact, which is why we don't just go "aw shit, maybe I should just take it in the ass and shut up like the nice monkey I am" but go "this is seriously fucked up, we need to do something".
and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.


He didn't call you a monkey, he called the species monkeys (which, while not accurate--as humans are apes, not monkeys--is not an insult).
RP: We are the Principality of New Vasconia! (Occupied by the Kingdom of Austiana.)
Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
Ec: -8.62; Soc: -5.44

Your argument is invalid.

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Yumyumsuppertime
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:42 pm

UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I think we understand more about the world than you do in fact, which is why we don't just go "aw shit, maybe I should just take it in the ass and shut up like the nice monkey I am" but go "this is seriously fucked up, we need to do something".
and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.


First, that post wasn't calling you anything. Second, if you want to be treated as an adult, then you should state your case like an adult, use appropriate grammar like an adult, spell like an adult, comprehend the posts of others like an adult, and use punctuation like an adult.

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UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N
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Postby UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:56 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:

and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.


I never said you were a monkey, so stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth that's why I don't like texting or typing talking is all ways better. What I'm saying that's what it look's like to me. I'm not going to argue about let's be adults and just drop it.

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:01 pm

UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I never said you were a monkey, so stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth that's why I don't like texting or typing talking is all ways better. What I'm saying that's what it look's like to me. I'm not going to argue about let's be adults and just drop it.


And I am correcting you because you took that in a way that was calling you a monkey when I wasn't.
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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:06 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:The fact of the matter is that at this point, lots of people want to punch each other in the face, and are looking for an excuse to do it. No matter what happens now, somebody will have an excuse to get pissed.


Okay, and? What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't discuss the issue because some people will get angry and disagree? Because, if so, that's stupid.

I'm answering the questions asked, "So, what do you think? Is this going to be the Republican version of the 'war on women'? Are there some legitimate concerns that racial tensions might worsen because of the border crisis?"

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:09 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
Okay, and? What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't discuss the issue because some people will get angry and disagree? Because, if so, that's stupid.

I'm answering the questions asked, "So, what do you think? Is this going to be the Republican version of the 'war on women'? Are there some legitimate concerns that racial tensions might worsen because of the border crisis?"


That doesn't answer my question.
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Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:31 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote: and now I'm a monkey so now were nameing calling grow up. It's time to be a big boy now. Act like a man not a child.


He didn't call you a monkey, he called the species monkeys (which, while not accurate--as humans are apes, not monkeys--is not an insult).


I think there are some who debate that factoid. If I remember correctly there are some who feel that simians are considered monkeys, and since we are in that group we are also monkeys.

I don't get this war on white thing, rights and equality aren't a zero sum game. Oh, 10000 post.
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UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N
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Postby UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:31 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:I'm not putting words in your mouth that's why I don't like texting or typing talking is all ways better. What I'm saying that's what it look's like to me. I'm not going to argue about let's be adults and just drop it.


And I am correcting you because you took that in a way that was calling you a monkey when I wasn't.

I know that's why I said that. I took a second look it. It's all good.

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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:35 pm

UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You were agreeing with something that is an ignorant presentation of statistics. One that completely ignores everything except the the skin tone of the people involved. It ignores socio-economic factors, it ignores the institutionalized racism that non-whites in general and blacks in particular have to deal with. Essentially you presented a middle-schooler's view of the American justice system.

No its fact's look around you it's seen every day and didn't say that to make seem I was taking about all blacks or any other group of people. If you can't see that then there is no hope for. It's sad when half of all these post are bias and ignorant. Half of every one on hear don't understand the world works including you it's not rocket science.

You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple. Being the poorest socio-economic group, this causes the rate to increase. The fact many in America have deluded themselves into thinking they have no prejudice, along with institutional racism does not help.

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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:39 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N wrote:No its fact's look around you it's seen every day and didn't say that to make seem I was taking about all blacks or any other group of people. If you can't see that then there is no hope for. It's sad when half of all these post are bias and ignorant. Half of every one on hear don't understand the world works including you it's not rocket science.

You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple.

If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:41 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
He didn't call you a monkey, he called the species monkeys (which, while not accurate--as humans are apes, not monkeys--is not an insult).


I think there are some who debate that factoid. If I remember correctly there are some who feel that simians are considered monkeys, and since we are in that group we are also monkeys.

I don't get this war on white thing, rights and equality aren't a zero sum game. Oh, 10000 post.


"A monkey is a primate of the Haplorrhini suborder and simian infraorder, either an Old World monkey or a New World monkey, but excluding apes and humans."

"Apes are a branch of Old World tailless anthropoid catarrhine primates native to Africa and Southeast Asia and distinguished by a wide degree of freedom at the shoulder joint indicating the influence of brachiation."

I don't see where there's a debate.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:43 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple.

If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?

Cultural for one, Nepal is much more community based along with Buddhist and religion being factors, while the US is more materialistic.

Secondly, Nepal and other Asian countries are much more collectivist rather than individualist.

Also...Nepal has a Maoist party in power right now, so we'll see what they do in that regard.

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Postby UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:44 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
He didn't call you a monkey, he called the species monkeys (which, while not accurate--as humans are apes, not monkeys--is not an insult).


I think there are some who debate that factoid. If I remember correctly there are some who feel that simians are considered monkeys, and since we are in that group we are also monkeys.

I don't get this war on white thing, rights and equality aren't a zero sum game. Oh, 10000 post.

I see your point of view but depends on how the individual see's it.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:45 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?

Cultural for one, Nepal is much more community based along with Buddhist and religion being factors, while the US is more materialistic.

Secondly, Nepal and other Asian countries are much more collectivist rather than individualist.

Also...Nepal has a Maoist party in power right now, so we'll see what they do in that regard.

That still means there is room to cut the black murder rate.

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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:45 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple.

If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?


He never said poverty causes crime. (Regardless, even if it were true, it's not the only cause of crime. There are several reasons why the US has such high murder rates: higher population, lax gun laws, etc.)
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:46 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:You presented basic facts in a biased light. The reason why so many Blacks are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes is due to poverty, pure and simple.

If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?

Is Nepal similar enough with their laws addressing murder rates to make an apt comparison with the United States?
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:47 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Cultural for one, Nepal is much more community based along with Buddhist and religion being factors, while the US is more materialistic.

Secondly, Nepal and other Asian countries are much more collectivist rather than individualist.

Also...Nepal has a Maoist party in power right now, so we'll see what they do in that regard.

That still means there is room to cut the black murder rate.


There's also room to cut the white murder rate, and the Asian murder rate, and the male murder rate, and the female murder rate...

Black people aren't the only ones who commit murder.
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Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:48 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Cultural for one, Nepal is much more community based along with Buddhist and religion being factors, while the US is more materialistic.

Secondly, Nepal and other Asian countries are much more collectivist rather than individualist.

Also...Nepal has a Maoist party in power right now, so we'll see what they do in that regard.

That still means there is room to cut the black murder rate.

I never said we couldn't do just that. For one, police need to increase community outreach and assistance, while community is fostered at local centres of culture, coupled with a better education policy, tax benefits for businesses that give more benefits in economically depressed areas, and the rates will decrease.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:49 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:If poverty causes crime, why is the murder rate in Nepal lower than the US murder rate, despite the fact they are much poorer than the US?


He never said poverty causes crime. (Regardless, even if it were true, it's not the only cause of crime. There are several reasons why the US has such high murder rates: higher population, lax gun laws, etc.)

Also, comparing Nepal and the United States isn't the best way to judge whether there's a significant correlation between poverty and crime. You'd be much better off comparing cities within the United States.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:49 pm

A Republican with a persecution complex, nothing out of the ordinary.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:53 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
He never said poverty causes crime. (Regardless, even if it were true, it's not the only cause of crime. There are several reasons why the US has such high murder rates: higher population, lax gun laws, etc.)

Also, comparing Nepal and the United States isn't the best way to judge whether there's a significant correlation between poverty and crime. You'd be much better off comparing cities within the United States.


Very true. (On that note: from the crime maps and whatnot I've seen, violence is usually much higher in poorer areas, especially in the South, which has the highest murder rates in the country--that said, correlation does not equal causation.)
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Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
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Your argument is invalid.

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