War on white people?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is most certainly about race. Canadians come here all the time--legally or illegally--and nobody gives a shit, but suddenly one Mexican kid tries to hop a fence and everybody loses their shit? Uh-uh, not buyin' it. It's because Central Americans are brown (even when they're not) and, thus, can never be Real Americans (TM).

Come on dude..

It's true though. If the U.S. really was against illegal immigration we'd be bitching about Canada too.

[Prezelly]

Why does it say non Hispanic in the white category?
Wouldn't blacks and Asians also be non Hispanic?

[Stallanstan]

Come on dude..

What, he/she spoke the honest truth. It's quite refreshing, it was free of rhetoric, and prose, just straight gritty and to the point. We need more of it. I applaud him/her!

https://imgflip.com/i/azrlw

[Gaiserin]

Come on dude..

What, he/she spoke the honest truth. It's quite refreshing, it was free of rhetoric, and prose, just straight gritty and to the point. We need more of it. I applaud him/her!

But people might get hurt by the truth..

[Elemental North]

What, he/she spoke the honest truth. It's quite refreshing, it was free of rhetoric, and prose, just straight gritty and to the point. We need more of it. I applaud him/her!

But people might get hurt by the truth..

That's true. Quick, hide all the smart people!

[Scholmeria]

That is nice. I like the music very much from the Caribean region (where Cuba is), it sounds very exotic. I have heard that Latinos are very religious but could not find confirmation

Is your dad some member of an anti-Castro movement?

Indeed. Cuba is famous for it's salsa and merengue music. And it was the home to the late "Reina de la Salsa" Celia Cruz, who's one of my personal favorites. Latinos are also a very religious people for the most part, and we tend to follow Catholicism specifically. Though I'm an atheist, personally.

My father isn't part of any movement, but he did grow up in Cuba and defected because of an ingrained distrust of Castro's socialist government. I don't blame him. My grandfather, however, was in the 26th of July Movement. He, like many other Cubans who supported the movement because they were led on to believe that it stood for restoring democracy, voiced his discontent and parted ways with it after Castro's true intentions of creating a Communist state were revealed. He was thrown in jail for some time for simply pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in Castro's revolution. Luckily he was eventually released and is living with my family in the US now.

In Europe left-wingers are saying that Cuba was a puppet state and poor before Castro. What would say to them?

[Quintium]

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

[Eastern Equestria]

Indeed. Cuba is famous for it's salsa and merengue music. And it was the home to the late "Reina de la Salsa" Celia Cruz, who's one of my personal favorites. Latinos are also a very religious people for the most part, and we tend to follow Catholicism specifically. Though I'm an atheist, personally.

My father isn't part of any movement, but he did grow up in Cuba and defected because of an ingrained distrust of Castro's socialist government. I don't blame him. My grandfather, however, was in the 26th of July Movement. He, like many other Cubans who supported the movement because they were led on to believe that it stood for restoring democracy, voiced his discontent and parted ways with it after Castro's true intentions of creating a Communist state were revealed. He was thrown in jail for some time for simply pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in Castro's revolution. Luckily he was eventually released and is living with my family in the US now.

In Europe left-wingers are saying that Cuba was a puppet state and poor before Castro. What would say to them?

I would provide evidence to the contrary.

I've stated the following facts in other threads regarding this subject but they need to be reiterated here. Before the communist revolution in Cuba:

-It ranked 5th in the Western Hemisphere in per capita income

-It ranked 3rd in the Western Hemisphere in life expectancy

-2nd in the Western Hemisphere in per capita ownership of automobiles and telephones

-1st in the Western Hemisphere in the number of television sets per inhabitant

-11th in the world in the number of doctors per capita

-It's literacy rate was the 4th highest in Latin America

Cuba also boasted a multitude of private clinics and hospitals providing for the poor, an income distribution that compared very favorably to other Latin American nations, and a middle class comparable to America's. These facts render Castro-supporters' claims that without his "drastic" reforms Cuba would have ended up as impoverished as Haiti or the Dominican Republic are today, completely unfounded.

Nevermind the fact that Cubans actually had political freedoms before the revolution.

[Scholmeria]

Could you post source for all that what you stated? I would also need it for my future debates.

[Scholmeria]

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

Also there is the case of Ohio, a conservative state where there is a demographic expansion.

[The Land of Truth]

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

Except Catholics tend to vote Democrat. Also, source for #3 and 4? Because I don't believe either of those. (Actually, nevermind, source all of it.)

[The Land of Truth]

In Europe left-wingers are saying that Cuba was a puppet state and poor before Castro. What would say to them?

I would provide evidence to the contrary.

I've stated the following facts in other threads regarding this subject but they need to be reiterated here. Before the communist revolution in Cuba:

-It ranked 5th in the Western Hemisphere in per capita income

-It ranked 3rd in the Western Hemisphere in life expectancy

-2nd in the Western Hemisphere in per capita ownership of automobiles and telephones

-1st in the Western Hemisphere in the number of television sets per inhabitant

-11th in the world in the number of doctors per capita

-It's literacy rate was the 4th highest in Latin America

Cuba also boasted a multitude of private clinics and hospitals providing for the poor, an income distribution that compared very favorably to other Latin American nations, and a middle class comparable to America's. These facts render Castro-supporters' claims that without his "drastic" reforms Cuba would have ended up as impoverished as Haiti or the Dominican Republic are today, completely unfounded.

Nevermind the fact that Cubans actually had political freedoms before the revolution.

Regardless of whether or not any of that's true, what relevance does that have to the topic of this thread?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

What does generational replacement have to do with anything? Each child has their own thought processes. I am not as conservative as my father, but I am not as liberal as American liberals are.

As for Hispanics siding with white Americans well, we do embrace American culture and we become Americanized, but I don't think I'd call ourselves "conservative" given we tend to spot bullshit easier from both Republicans and Democrats, but we're not necessarily "conservative" in the American conservationist style.

[Eastern Equestria]

Could you post source for all that what you stated? I would also need it for my future debates.

Yeah, just give me a sec to find the source.

[Regenburg]

i always wondered how do people like this get elected to very honored positions in local government

[Ifreann]

i always wondered how do people like this get elected to very honored positions in local government

That's probably how they get elected.

[The Land of Truth]

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

What does generational replacement have to do with anything? Each child has their own thought processes. I am not as conservative as my father, but I am not as liberal as American liberals are.

As for Hispanics siding with white Americans well, we do embrace American culture and we become Americanized, but I don't think I'd call ourselves "conservative" given we tend to spot bullshit easier from both Republicans and Democrats, but we're not necessarily "conservative" in the American conservationist style.

And just to add on to this: I'm from the Bible Belt, but my family is extremely liberal (we'd probably fit in with New Englanders--probably), and I'm even more liberal than they are (I'm left of Gandhi, according to the political compass test). While family, environment, and culture are certainly factors, there is no completely accurate way of measuring a person's future political beliefs.

(Example: A majority of Americans support same-sex marriage, one generation ago, the opposite was true. If all these homophobes gave birth to so many people, then where did all these tolerant ones come from?)

[Eastern Equestria]

Could you post source for all that what you stated? I would also need it for my future debates.

Yeah, just give me a sec to find the source.

Here you go.

Also, we should probably stop discussing this here since we seem to be derailing the thread.

[Rio Cana]

That is nice. I like the music very much from the Caribean region (where Cuba is), it sounds very exotic. I have heard that Latinos are very religious but could not find confirmation

Is your dad some member of an anti-Castro movement?

Indeed. Cuba is famous for it's salsa and merengue music. And it was the home to the late "Reina de la Salsa" Celia Cruz, who's one of my personal favorites. Latinos are also a very religious people for the most part, and we tend to follow Catholicism specifically. Though I'm an atheist, personally.

My father isn't part of any movement, but he did grow up in Cuba and defected because of an ingrained distrust of Castro's socialist government. I don't blame him. My grandfather, however, was in the 26th of July Movement. He, like many other Cubans who supported the movement because they were led on to believe that it stood for restoring democracy, voiced his discontent and parted ways with it after Castro's true intentions of creating a Communist state were revealed. He was thrown in jail for some time for simply pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in Castro's revolution. Luckily he was eventually released and is living with my family in the US now.

What! Cuba cannot be famous for Merengue since it is not the land of Merengue. The Dominican Republic is the land of Merengue and Bachata. Cuba is the land of the Son Montuno, Guaracha, Mambo, Bolero, Guaguancó (which is a type of Rumba) and Rumba (which could be said to be Salsa). Puerto Rico is Bolero, Salsa, Reggaeton, Bomba and Plena.

This major mistake calls for a Merengue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H9y_qDty-Y

[Scholmeria]

Yeah, just give me a sec to find the source.

Here you go.

Also, we should probably stop discussing this here since we seem to be derailing the thread.

Ok thanks.

[Eastern Equestria]

Indeed. Cuba is famous for it's salsa and merengue music. And it was the home to the late "Reina de la Salsa" Celia Cruz, who's one of my personal favorites. Latinos are also a very religious people for the most part, and we tend to follow Catholicism specifically. Though I'm an atheist, personally.

My father isn't part of any movement, but he did grow up in Cuba and defected because of an ingrained distrust of Castro's socialist government. I don't blame him. My grandfather, however, was in the 26th of July Movement. He, like many other Cubans who supported the movement because they were led on to believe that it stood for restoring democracy, voiced his discontent and parted ways with it after Castro's true intentions of creating a Communist state were revealed. He was thrown in jail for some time for simply pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in Castro's revolution. Luckily he was eventually released and is living with my family in the US now.

What! Cuba cannot be famous for Merengue since it is not the land of Merengue. The Dominican Republic is the land of Merengue and Bachata. Cuba is the land of the Son Montuno, Guaracha, Mambo, Bolero, Guaguancó (which is a type of Rumba) and Rumba (which could be said to be Salsa). Puerto Rico is Bolero, Salsa, Reggaeton, Bomba and Plena.

This major mistake calls for a Merengue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H9y_qDty-Y

I could've sworn merengue was Cuban. Oh, well. I love bachata, though.

[Rio Cana]

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

Demographics also show that:

- Liberal whites are not having enough children to replace their own ranks when the current generation starts dying out, while conservative and religious whites (especially Mormons) are;
- The Hispanic population is growing very rapidly in the United States;
- More and more Hispanics are siding with the whites you think are disappearing, identifying themselves as white, embracing white American culture and turning conservative;
- The African-American population is going to become less influential as it will become a smaller share of the population.

Conservatism has a future in the United States. It's just going to be less Protestant and more Mormon and Catholic.

Your theory has one problem. There are many so called Hispanic politicians and businessmen that want power. And becoming or being part of the so called majority group will only get them crumbs and a seat in sight of but still far from the table of political power. It makes more sense to create there own Hispanic political base and work together with the African American politicians and Asian politicians in order to achieve a coalition of power which in the end will get you a seat at the table and no more crumbs.

Generally, almost 100 years ago the political majority in the US knew this could happen. Why do you think they cut the Philippines loose. They knew the Filipino population was greatly increasing. A US Philippine means millions of Filipinos in the US affecting the culture but more importantly the political scene. After all, in a democracy, majority rules.

[UNITED AMERICAN FEDERATI0N]

What are you whatting.

The ignorance displayed.

Well pardon me it was 2:30 am and I was tired. I was just agreeing with him and does my grammar really need to be perfect.

[Rio Cana]

That is interesting.

Oh yea, we also had an old rivalry going on because Mexico tried to become an empire. Their first claim? Central America. The fiercest opposition? El Salvador; so Mexicans and Salvadorans hated each other for it in the 19th century. Now? It's just soccer matches; but it's not like we hate each other in a hostile manner, some of us are good sports and poke fun at each other

When the Spanish walked away from Central America, unlike in Mexico where they fought for ten years, El Salvador joined Guatemala and the others. But when the Mexican empire came into being, Guatemala and the others joined. El Salvador sent representatives to Guatemala saying they were pulling out. So Guatemala sent in there army to take control of this rebel province. Guatemala was at that time the main Central American nation. Anyway, the Guatemalans were defeated three times by El Salvador forces. So the Mexican Emperor sent a Mexican general with a large force to crush the so called rebels. You must remember, Mexico had been fighting the Spanish for ten years unlike the Central Americans which means the Mexicans were so called battle hardened. The Mexicans inflicted defeats on the forces of El Salvador which fought very hard and bravely. After a major battle in parts of the Capital city, the Mexicans walked into El Salvador capital of San Salvador since San Salvador was declared an open city in order to prevent it from being further destroyed. No time after that, the Mexican force left and in a few weeks the Mexican Empire fell. At that point, the new Mexican Republic asked Central America if they wanted to be part of the Mexican republic or not.

Left out that in 1822 during the fight against the Mexican Empire, they tried to join the US. They even sent representatives to the US. But the US declined on annexing them. The same thing happened when Yucatan was looking for military help against the attacking Mayan natives. They sent representatives to the US and Europe. In return, they would join the nation that came to help them. Only Mexico took them up on the ofer so independent Yucatan rejoined Mexico. This means the US today would have had two Central American States If they had taken the offers.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Jos%C3%A9_Arce

[Quintium]

What does generational replacement have to do with anything?

It has a lot to do with a lot of things. If you are a child, you ultimately end up a lot like your parents in your views and beliefs. There are exceptions, and I have no doubt someone will jump in and shout "but I am liberal and my parents are conservative and I am seventeen years of age", but the general rule is that people take on a lot of the characteristics and beliefs with which they grew up. Those characteristics and beliefs can be anything, from the way you divide the work in your household to the political party you vote for to your specific opinion on the separation of church and state.

Now, I have read an interesting little analysis of a previous election in the United States - Bush versus Kerry. Bush won in twenty-five out of the twenty-six states with the highest birth rates, while Kerry won in all the sixteen states with the lowest birth rates in the United States. If you begin with a population of one hundred atheistic liberals and one hundred religious conservatives, and you assume that there is a birth rate of 2.45 per woman for the religious conservatives (based on the figure for white women in Utah a decade ago) and 1.65 per woman for the atheistic liberals (the birth rate in general for California about a decade ago), then what does the next generation look like? The religious conservatives will have about 120 children, while the atheistic liberals will have about 80. Let's assume, theoretically, that ten of those religious conservatives will turn into atheistic liberals. What does the generation after that look like? Around 135 new religious conservatives, and about 75 atheistic liberals.

Now, I'm not saying that it's happening this quickly, but it's a general picture of what's going on everywhere in the world. Liberals and progressives are being outbred by the religious right, regardless of what that religious right is (Muslim in Europe, Christian in the United States and South America, Hindu in India, Christian in China).