War on white people?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, they wouldn't.

yes they would... thats why the 'Pilgrims' left to escape religious persecution, why do you think it is written into your own god damn constitution that no man many be punished for his religious beliefs?

The Pilgrims came to the U.S. almost 100 years before even the founding fathers of the nation were even born.

[Eastern Equestria]

Many are, yes (myself included).

myself included

Wait, I did not know this

Yup. I'm a white Latino and proud of it (mostly the Latino part, "white" is just a meaningless physical characteristic)

[Dyakovo]

No, they wouldn't.

yes they would... thats why the 'Pilgrims' left to escape religious persecution, why do you think it is written into your own god damn constitution that no man many be punished for his religious beliefs?

"The Pilgrims" and "The Founding Fathers" are two completely separate groups of people.

[Scholmeria]

Aren't Latinos white people? There was a lot european immigration in the past centuries to South America. Argentina is alo whiter than the US.

Ah yes, the whole "racial divide".

White people here in America, at least from what I understand, is only used to refer to Americans.

I'm a white Latino. I'm a white man, but I'm still Latino.

Also, most of Latin America was populated by "white" Spaniards to begin with and we had that whole "one drop rule" and what not in colonial times; although we sorta became obsessed with eugenics and we had minorities encouraged to marry whiter people for their kids to be able to advance socially - this is where the whole "Latinos like white women" stereotype comes from; well, that and the perception in the media we're this sort of mystically smooth lover with a silver tongue; which I wish I was, but I am not.

Well in than case I still don't undetstand why are Latinos considered a race whereas they are in fact not. They are just strenghing the white population in the US.

Never hears for such stereotypes but that is ok for me, the probldm would be islamic immigration as Europe is having problems with that group of people.

[Stallanstan]

yes they would... thats why the 'Pilgrims' left to escape religious persecution, why do you think it is written into your own god damn constitution that no man many be punished for his religious beliefs?

The Pilgrims came to the U.S. almost 100 years before even the founding fathers of the nation were even born.

Correct but they upheld the same values and beliefs..

[Dyakovo]

The Pilgrims came to the U.S. almost 100 years before even the founding fathers of the nation were even born.

Correct but they upheld the same values and beliefs..

No, they didn't.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Wait, I did not know this

Yup. I'm a white Latino and proud of it (mostly the Latino part, "white" is just a meaningless physical characteristic)

Same here

[Land and Freedom]

Proletariat.

[Gaiserin]

I'm not creating anything. These two different definitions already existed. One is for use in everyday context, the other is for within the context of sociological discussions.

Seems quite irrelevant context when the core is identical, which is "prejudice based on race."
Eh, I'm going to roll with the oxford definition of it.

Racial apologetics are bullshit.

As someone who is a white Latino I don't expect you to apologize because you're born white, but to acknowledge the fact we're not criminal immigrants trying to steal your jobs, salt your foods, and steal your women and take them back to Mexico or any other Latin American country, and to respect the fact we come from two different walks of life and that, while I cannot understand what it is to be a white male and as such I have to see and make an informed opinion about white culture and its own issues I don't expect you to understand what it is like to be a Latino and to take our issues as Latinos seriously and have informed opinions and not just go "damn immigrants complaining".

I quite agree with your first part. Probably should mention(in case it was not obvious) that I was being sarcastic.

On your second part, I have absolutely nothing to say. Because I don't live in the States, nor do I have experience with you Latino people.

[Risottia]

the probldm would be islamic immigration as Europe is having problems with that group of people.

Frankly, we have much more pressing issues, such a huge economic crisis, many of our countries in recession, and lots of unemployment to begin with. The purported "problems with Muslims" aren't quite significative.

[Stallanstan]

Correct but they upheld the same values and beliefs..

No, they didn't.

what is the difference then?

[Scholmeria]

Aren't Latinos white people?

Many are, yes (myself included).

I personally have some distant relatives in Mexico and Argentina. Where does your family come from?

[Elemental North]

Correct but they upheld the same values and beliefs..

No, they didn't.

No, they didn't, that parts true. Jefferson was practically atheist, Franklin was more geared towards science, Washington, Madison, all of them...

[Scholmeria]

the probldm would be islamic immigration as Europe is having problems with that group of people.

Frankly, we have much more pressing issues, such a huge economic crisis, many of our countries in recession, and lots of unemployment to begin with. The purported "problems with Muslims" aren't quite significative.

I agree that it is not a problem like economy (besides, only two EU cozntries are in recession right now) but the two are the simpoms of a single cause.

[Elemental North]

I'm not creating anything. These two different definitions already existed. One is for use in everyday context, the other is for within the context of sociological discussions.

Seems quite irrelevant context when the core is identical, which is "prejudice based on race."
Eh, I'm going to roll with the oxford definition of it.

Racial apologetics are bullshit.

As someone who is a white Latino I don't expect you to apologize because you're born white, but to acknowledge the fact we're not criminal immigrants trying to steal your jobs, salt your foods, and steal your women and take them back to Mexico or any other Latin American country, and to respect the fact we come from two different walks of life and that, while I cannot understand what it is to be a white male and as such I have to see and make an informed opinion about white culture and its own issues I don't expect you to understand what it is like to be a Latino and to take our issues as Latinos seriously and have informed opinions and not just go "damn immigrants complaining".

I quite agree with your first part. Probably should mention(in case it was not obvious) that I was being sarcastic.

On your second part, I have absolutely nothing to say. Because I don't live in the States, nor do I have experience with you Latino people.

I agree with his statement whole heartedly, as one of the only people who can say he is Spanish, Mexican, British, and Irish, as well as able to speak on what it is to be discriminated against, and be apart of the family doing the discriminating, I can with confidence say, that there is in fact not a war on white people, but a newly ignited war on immigrants. As a side note however, if there were a "war on white people" I wouldn't sympathize with them, I'd consider it a god damn divine irony.

[Dyakovo]

No, they didn't.

what is the difference then?

Most notably? Religious tolerance. Kinda a big deal for the Founding Fathers, not at all for the Pilgrims.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well in than case I still don't undetstand why are Latinos considered a race whereas they are in fact not. They are just strenghing the white population in the US.

Never hears for such stereotypes but that is ok for me, the probldm would be islamic immigration as Europe is having problems with that group of people.

Well, it's just easier for people to misconstrue that we're a different race because we're immigrants, but in fact what we are is just a different ethnicity and culture, not a race of people. You're right in that we're strengthening the white population in the U.S. though, and I presume that, within my children or my grandchildren's generation we will see Latinos being enfranchised as white people just like we did to the Irish and Germans.

[Dyakovo]

I'm not creating anything. These two different definitions already existed. One is for use in everyday context, the other is for within the context of sociological discussions.

Seems quite irrelevant context when the core is identical, which is "prejudice based on race."
Eh, I'm going to roll with the oxford definition of it.

Racial apologetics are bullshit.

As someone who is a white Latino I don't expect you to apologize because you're born white, but to acknowledge the fact we're not criminal immigrants trying to steal your jobs, salt your foods, and steal your women and take them back to Mexico or any other Latin American country, and to respect the fact we come from two different walks of life and that, while I cannot understand what it is to be a white male and as such I have to see and make an informed opinion about white culture and its own issues I don't expect you to understand what it is like to be a Latino and to take our issues as Latinos seriously and have informed opinions and not just go "damn immigrants complaining".

I quite agree with your first part. Probably should mention(in case it was not obvious) that I was being sarcastic.

On your second part, I have absolutely nothing to say. Because I don't live in the States, nor do I have experience with you Latino people.

I'm not Latino.

[Risottia]

Frankly, we have much more pressing issues, such a huge economic crisis, many of our countries in recession, and lots of unemployment to begin with. The purported "problems with Muslims" aren't quite significative.

I agree that it is not a problem like economy (besides, only two EU cozntries are in recession right now) but the two are the simpoms of a single cause.

That cause NOT being muslims. It's mostly a combination of poor management of spending, tax fraud/elusion/evasion, and lots of intergovernmental squabbling for the petty interests of local politicians taken to an EU level.

[Arglorand]

Yeah, just laugh.

Unlike the Western nation that apologise to terrorists after blowing up in Boston for "causing stress and criticism on Islam that led to the bombings" Russia is handling thoose thugs because its cares for its people.

Also, if Russia was not the bastion of freedom than Snowden would not seek asilyum there. At least Russia does not stages coups like the US did in Ukraine.

I continue to laugh.

It's like you're trying to write a post with as many incorrect sentences and words as you can muster.

[Stallanstan]

No, they didn't.

No, they didn't, that parts true. Jefferson was practically atheist, Franklin was more geared towards science, Washington, Madison, all of them...

Were prominent Masons.. or Quakers

[Elemental North]

No, they didn't, that parts true. Jefferson was practically atheist, Franklin was more geared towards science, Washington, Madison, all of them...

Were prominent Masons.. or Quakers

Exactly, which is a far cry from worshiping the VERY angry God of the Puritans wouldn't you say?

[Gaiserin]

I'm not Latino.

And, you state this because...? I mean I never asked about your racial category to begin with.

if there were a "war on white people" I wouldn't sympathize with them, I'd consider it a god damn divine irony

Interesting mindset concerning your initial point, suit yourself I guess?

[Stallanstan]

Were prominent Masons.. or Quakers

Exactly, which is a far cry from worshiping the VERY angry God of the Puritans wouldn't you say?

Puritans are Christians.. as are Quakers...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Exactly, which is a far cry from worshiping the VERY angry God of the Puritans wouldn't you say?

Puritans are Christians.. as are Quakers...

Freemasons on the other hand are quite liberal in their mindset.