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what do you identify as?

white, non-hispanic
604
68%
hispanic
46
5%
black
49
6%
asian
53
6%
native american
11
1%
mixed
68
8%
other
58
7%
 
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:12 pm

Getrektistan wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
A society that was historically 90% white has white cultural dominance. The horror.


Pretty easy to say that cultural dominance is no big deal and the natural order of things when you benefit from it.

That's white privilege, by the way.

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Postby Getrektistan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Getrektistan wrote:
Pretty easy to say that cultural dominance is no big deal and the natural order of things when you benefit from it.

That's white privilege, by the way.

I just might sig this. May I?


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I understand it perfectly. I'm sorry you apparently can't handle reality.

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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:21 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:basically it means racism that has the result of favoring white people.
racism that has real impact on opportunity.
you could have Japanese privilege in Japan as a comparison, were common practice tends to excludes non-japanese people from many common cultural activities.


From what I know about Japan, they dislike Koreans and Chinese (they, being, old conservative-esque people. The Japanese equivalent of Sean Hannities and Bill O'Reillies). I bet Japanese Privilege is actually a thing.

japan is actually fairly racist as a whole, a white guy marrying a japanese woman is viewed much like a back guy marrying a white woman would be in 20's or 50's in america.

Mavorpen wrote:Well, some crimes, usually nonviolent ones like drug possession.


Crimes that are socially accepted to be "almost exclusive" to one race.

hell several drug laws were created just as an excuse to deport immigrants.
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Postby Arglorand » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:31 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:basically it means racism that has the result of favoring white people.
racism that has real impact on opportunity.
you could have Japanese privilege in Japan as a comparison, were common practice tends to excludes non-japanese people from many common cultural activities.


From what I know about Japan, they dislike Koreans and Chinese (they, being, old conservative-esque people. The Japanese equivalent of Sean Hannities and Bill O'Reillies). I bet Japanese Privilege is actually a thing.

They tend to be xenophobic as a general whole. A problem that comes sadly rather naturally with having one of the most homogeneous societies in the world.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Sociobiology wrote:hell several drug laws were created just as an excuse to deport immigrants.


That applies for opium, yes, and I try to make that point. People just don't understand...
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The people who are coming here illegally...do you consider them to be white?


Irrelevant. I don't care what color they are. If they come here legally, I welcome them with open arms.

Immigrate legally or keep out.


No, it's relevant to the thread topic. Do you consider the majority of those coming over our Southern border to be white?

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

This is no crisis, it is simple reality.

I am a non Anglo Saxon Caucasian, and if there is a war, I give up and ask for viable terms of peace.

Maybe a considerate Marshall Plan from the victors, too.

Something to console me in my dotage.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:38 pm

Libertarian California wrote:This guy has a point. Democrats pander for the non-white vote and know that an increasingly brown country will ensure Democratic electoral dominance.

Furthermore, the concept of white privilege reeks of religious fundamentalism (it's really 21st century original sin) and is a convenient scapegoat for society ills. To be fair though, it's a pretty clever propaganda tool.

As for the poll, I am a non-Hispanic white American. The horror.


"Addressing the concerns of non-white voters" = "Pandering".

Got it.

Also, while there are people who use it as a bludgeon, privilege is a very real thing.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:42 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Demographics show that the old white uneducated Republicans are fading away.

This is no crisis, it is simple reality.

I am a non Anglo Saxon Caucasian, and if there is a war, I give up and ask for viable terms of peace.

Maybe a considerate Marshall Plan from the victors, too.

Something to console me in my dotage.


I am still young enough to fight, otherwise I would join you.

To hell with it, I will lie about my age and join you.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:42 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Irrelevant. I don't care what color they are. If they come here legally, I welcome them with open arms.

Immigrate legally or keep out.


No, it's relevant to the thread topic. Do you consider the majority of those coming over our Southern border to be white?


I do not care.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, it's relevant to the thread topic. Do you consider the majority of those coming over our Southern border to be white?


I do not care.


Of course not.

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Postby Condunum » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:53 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
That's all fine and dandy until you get to the part that they didn't, and it has effectively existed since slavery was abolished.


A society that was historically 90% white has white cultural dominance. The horror.

Obviously you never heard of the race riots of the 1910's and 1920's. Let me clue you in on something: The only tragedies of American production which compares to the Nadir of race relations is the Indian genocide and slavery. That "historically white" society was only made that way on the backs of minorities and the blood of other races.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:54 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, it's relevant to the thread topic. Do you consider the majority of those coming over our Southern border to be white?


I do not care.


Good answer.

I doubt there is enough distinction for a "purely" Hispanic" genome to justify calling the group anything but white. There have been interesting DNA ties found to Spanish (not surprising) and Jewish (who knew?) strains, but that does not make these folks other than white, in general.

Then, to be fair, let's do testing on all those who claim DAM privilege against these immigrants. Oh, you have a Hungarian grandmother? Likely got the blood of the Asian hordes. Sicilian? Notoriously intermixed.

Let's just forget the whole tired diatribe.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:56 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I do not care.


Good answer.

I doubt there is enough distinction for a "purely" Hispanic" genome to justify calling the group anything but white. There have been interesting DNA ties found to Spanish (not surprising) and Jewish (who knew?) strains, but that does not make these folks other than white, in general.

Then, to be fair, let's do testing on all those who claim DAM privilege against these immigrants. Oh, you have a Hungarian grandmother? Likely got the blood of the Asian hordes. Sicilian? Notoriously intermixed.

Let's just forget the whole tired diatribe.


Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:59 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Good answer.

I doubt there is enough distinction for a "purely" Hispanic" genome to justify calling the group anything but white. There have been interesting DNA ties found to Spanish (not surprising) and Jewish (who knew?) strains, but that does not make these folks other than white, in general.

Then, to be fair, let's do testing on all those who claim DAM privilege against these immigrants. Oh, you have a Hungarian grandmother? Likely got the blood of the Asian hordes. Sicilian? Notoriously intermixed.

Let's just forget the whole tired diatribe.


Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.


Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:02 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.


Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.


Yes. Those damned people complaining about institutional racism. How dare they continue to keep the race issue alive? If they just ignored the disparities in treatment, then it would all go away.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:03 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I do not care.


Good answer.

I doubt there is enough distinction for a "purely" Hispanic" genome to justify calling the group anything but white. There have been interesting DNA ties found to Spanish (not surprising) and Jewish (who knew?) strains, but that does not make these folks other than white, in general.

Then, to be fair, let's do testing on all those who claim DAM privilege against these immigrants. Oh, you have a Hungarian grandmother? Likely got the blood of the Asian hordes. Sicilian? Notoriously intermixed.

Let's just forget the whole tired diatribe.


Being hispanic isn't about tracing your ancestry back to the first Meso-American to ever set foot here.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:12 pm

Earth in Roughly 1000 Years wrote:
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Except that it's not.

Yes it is, because Cuba doesn't make up a large enough preportion of the latino population for it not to be.


And I never claimed that it was. You've done a nice job of arguing against that strawman you built there, though.

And I provided an exception to your claim. That's all.

So than you admit that when you say "except when its not" you are wrong. Good.


I haven't admitted anything. I am, however, impressed by your ability inflate your own ego.

[Citation corroborating Cuban misrepresentation of demographic statistics needed]

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2350/12/43


The conclusions in this source are based off a medical study of a small sample size of citizens aged 65 and over. Hardly representative of the country's entire population. It also doesn't prove that cuban demographic statistics are incorrect.

Emphasis on the word "exclusive".

Its based on cultural assimilation to a large degree.


And the Dominican Republic is by a large degree more multi-ethnic than Cuba is, which is neither a good or bad thing.

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Postby Getrektistan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:15 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.


Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.


Forgetting race isn't a solution since our system is so badly damaged and inherently racist that it requires deliberate action to repair. Forgetting race may be founded in good intentions, but it only results in the continuation of a discriminatory status quo.
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Alyakia wrote:i think you're giving her too much credit for turning a racist extremist party into a racist extremist party except we sorta hide it now


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I understand it perfectly. I'm sorry you apparently can't handle reality.

I'm sorry that you can't handle the English language.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:37 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Good answer.

I doubt there is enough distinction for a "purely" Hispanic" genome to justify calling the group anything but white. There have been interesting DNA ties found to Spanish (not surprising) and Jewish (who knew?) strains, but that does not make these folks other than white, in general.

Then, to be fair, let's do testing on all those who claim DAM privilege against these immigrants. Oh, you have a Hungarian grandmother? Likely got the blood of the Asian hordes. Sicilian? Notoriously intermixed.

Let's just forget the whole tired diatribe.


Being hispanic isn't about tracing your ancestry back to the first Meso-American to ever set foot here.

"My great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great (x500) Grandfather was named OOG. OOG was also the first person EVER to set foot in mesoamerica. I'm real proud of my heritage."
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Postby Othelos » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:09 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.


Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.

Until society is equal, 'forgetting' them won't solve anything.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:15 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, let's forget it. That should solve all of our racial issues.


Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.

You mean like the racists that continue propping up institutional racism?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:52 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Many of us already have forgotten it. Unfortunately there are still too many who have a vested interest in keeping the race issue alive.

You mean like the racists that continue propping up institutional racism?


Sharpton, Jackson et al? yes.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:56 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You mean like the racists that continue propping up institutional racism?


Sharpton, Jackson et al? yes.

Nice dodge.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:57 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Sharpton, Jackson et al? yes.

Nice dodge.


Not so much a dodge as using an unexpected (true) answer.
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