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white, non-hispanic
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hispanic
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black
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asian
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mixed
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:40 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
The fact that it make should and ought to claims. The fact that is isessentially trying to apply one field of study to a completely different field of study, with no evidence that said application can be made. Science does not make claims on what should and ought to be, only on what is. Social Darwinism makes those claims.


Not to mention it make a complete mockery of the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection by completely misrepresenting Survival of the Fittest.


Forgot to include that but yes. Basically they make assumptions on what is and is not more fit without backing up why those assumptions are justified. The entire idea of social darwinism is not scientific, but people pretend it is, which is in itself a problem.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:45 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
The fact that it make should and ought to claims. The fact that is isessentially trying to apply one field of study to a completely different field of study, with no evidence that said application can be made. Science does not make claims on what should and ought to be, only on what is. Social Darwinism makes those claims.


My issues with it, precisely.


Same here. "Survival of the fittest" in a society and trying to use evolutionary theory to explain societies is the most stupid idea ever
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Postby Zelitopia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:45 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Dude, if you are only counting people whose ancestry can be traced back to the Caucasus region as whites you will end up with a TON of disappointment to know those are not the only white people in the world.


A lot of people make the (false) assumption that white=Caucasian. It's very annoying to have the explain why that's not true.

it would take a major paradigm shift.

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Zelitopia
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Postby Zelitopia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:48 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Zelitopia wrote:Now Arab is an ethnic group but it is still part of the white sub race.


Arabs generally don't have European ancestry and most don't have White skin so far as I can tell, they aren't White.

Many Europeans originated in the middle east as part of the Arab group.

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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:51 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Did you even my sources? My sources clearly showed that blacks are far more likely to lie about drug use.

No, no it didn't. Not once does your source state they lie. Please quote the source saying that they "lie about drug use."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf
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Distruzio wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:They get convicted more.


A higher conviction rate? Doesn't that suggest that blacks are convicted of crime more than other races rather than showing that blacks "do more crime"?

The most plausible reason for the higher rate of convictions is a higher rate of crime.

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Blakk Metal
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:53 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Zelitopia wrote:Now Arab is an ethnic group but it is still part of the white sub race.


Arabs generally don't have European ancestry

The Magreb was at one point occupied by Germanic tribes.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:53 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, no it didn't. Not once does your source state they lie. Please quote the source saying that they "lie about drug use."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf
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Distruzio wrote:
A higher conviction rate? Doesn't that suggest that blacks are convicted of crime more than other races rather than showing that blacks "do more crime"?

The most plausible reason for the higher rate of convictions is a higher rate of crime.


Do they get convicted or do they get arrested more?
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Postby Trygg » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:54 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Trygg wrote:On a serious note, I generally ignore any groups, movements, or ideals that promote hate in any way. I've taken this approach after seeing good people who fought for an honest cause turned into radical hatemongers against anything and everything that is not the minority they stood for.


Be more specific? Please?

For example, radical fringe groups of human rights movements. A acquaintance of mine seemed to think that their argument for straight people genocide was logical. Another holds so much hate for those who oppress homosexuals he misdirected it, and now believes all republicans are inherently evil and blames them for every aspect of his life that goes bad, oftentimes in public, making him look like a complete fool. As a result of this behavior, those around him often express their dislike of him, which leads to more public hate-mongering and accusations of being a "homophobic republican". It's a vicious cycle of hate that does not end, and I intend to stay away from it. Ever since I began discrediting any messages from any groups which promote anger, compulsory dislike, disdain, or hate of opposing groups,I have found my life much more enjoyable and stable. I suppose I could be considered a Neo-Buddhist. Hate and dislike always cause more hate and dislike. It's a violent cycle that I will not feed. I hope others can accept my view, and are willing to give up their own anger, fear and hate.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:54 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf
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The most plausible reason for the higher rate of convictions is a higher rate of crime.


Do they get convicted or do they get arrested more?

Both.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:56 pm

Othelos wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/war-whites-214642259.html

Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks brought up the alleged war on a conservative radio show hosted by Laura Ingraham, in response to questions about immigration reform and border security.

“This is a part of the war on whites that’s being launched by the Democratic Party, and the way in which they’re launching this war is by claiming that whites hate everybody else,” said Brooks.

“It’s a part of the strategy that Barack Obama implemented in 2008, continued in 2012, where he divides us all on race, on sex, greed, envy, class warfare, all those kinds of things,” Brooks continued.


Ok, imo, this is the latest nonsense from Washington. White people are still more privileged than non-whites in America. The border issues aren't about race, despite whether or not people want to make it about that.

So, what do you think? Is this going to be the Republican version of the 'war on women'? Are there some legitimate concerns that racial tensions might worsen because of the border crisis?

It's not nonsense from Washington.
It's wholly predictable nonsense from a Republican representative in Alabama.
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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:56 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, no it didn't. Not once does your source state they lie. Please quote the source saying that they "lie about drug use."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf
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Hi. I'm still waiting for the source that actually proves that black people use marijuana at more than two times the rate of white people.

Blakk Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
A higher conviction rate? Doesn't that suggest that blacks are convicted of crime more than other races rather than showing that blacks "do more crime"?

The most plausible reason for the higher rate of convictions is a higher rate of crime.

No, it isn't. That's a non sequitur. (That's like saying that because North Korea imprisons more dissenters than non-dissenters, dissenters must commit more crime.)
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:57 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Arabs generally don't have European ancestry

The Magreb was at one point occupied by Germanic tribes.


Source?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:58 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It's both, really. Sad and hilarious that people buy into the whole concept of eugenics. I did for a while. Not my brightest moment.


I actually think I remember debating eugenics with you before... (Or not, it was a long time ago, either way.)


I can't recall.
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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
I actually think I remember debating eugenics with you before... (Or not, it was a long time ago, either way.)


I can't recall.


I wouldn't expect you to.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:00 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:

Hi. I'm still waiting for the source that actually proves that black people use marijuana at more than two times the rate of white people.

The government convicts people at that rate, that's why.
Blakk Metal wrote:The most plausible reason for the higher rate of convictions is a higher rate of crime.

No, it isn't. That's a non sequitur. (That's like saying that because North Korea imprisons more dissenters than non-dissenters, dissenters must commit more crimes.)

Dissenting is a crime in North Korea, so yes.
The Land of Truth wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:The Magreb was at one point occupied by Germanic tribes.


Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals

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Postby Zelitopia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:01 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Trygg wrote:This is how you perceive racial boundaries?


How do you perceive racial boundaries if not by ancestry or skin color?

Ancestry? If you go by Ancestry, depending how far you go back, everyone is either Chinese or African.

Skin color? Skin color is meaningless and tells you absolutely nothing about heritage or ancestry. There are a lot of white europeans whose skin changes its color when they are in the lower latitudes and spend a lot of time outside.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:02 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, no it didn't. Not once does your source state they lie. Please quote the source saying that they "lie about drug use."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf


Your own source states that the likely correlation is socioeconomic status too and mainstream expectations. Nowhere does it say race is a factor, nor that they lie, but that they tend to rescind their answers on subsequent surveys, which means that they state that they have not ingested recreational drugs.

Further, your own article suggests that the rescind rate is about 5-10% depending on drugs for each race on each socioeconomic background, and that African Americans rescind the most, which leads me to believe that it's not that big of a deal anyways because a 5-10% margin of error doesn't mean all black people lie through their teeth about drug abuse.

In other words, you are mining data again and are full of shit. Not surprising.
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Postby Pacific Independence » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:02 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:The Magreb was at one point occupied by Germanic tribes.


Source?


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_Kingdom
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:03 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Do they get convicted or do they get arrested more?

Both.


Arrests doesn't go to convictions, and convictions can be appealed and the conviction dismissed.

Do you have statistics that these convictions are actually not false convictions?
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:04 pm

I like how you add "non-hispanic" to the white option.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:04 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:


Your own source states that the likely correlation is socioeconomic status too and mainstream expectations. Nowhere does it say race is a factor, nor that they lie, but that they tend to rescind their answers on subsequent surveys, which means that they state that they have not ingested recreational drugs.

Which is lying, pure and simple.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:05 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Your own source states that the likely correlation is socioeconomic status too and mainstream expectations. Nowhere does it say race is a factor, nor that they lie, but that they tend to rescind their answers on subsequent surveys, which means that they state that they have not ingested recreational drugs.

Which is lying, pure and simple.


I'm guessing you can't prove that?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:05 pm

Ulrenon wrote:I like how you add "non-hispanic" to the white option.


There are white Hispanics though...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:05 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:The government convicts people at that rate, that's why.


That doesn't mean anything.

Possession of drugs doesn't mean consumption of drugs. Consuming drugs is not a crime in the U.S.; only the possession of.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:06 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Hi. I'm still waiting for the source that actually proves that black people use marijuana at more than two times the rate of white people.

(1)The government convicts people at that rate, that's why.
No, it isn't. That's a non sequitur. (That's like saying that because North Korea imprisons more dissenters than non-dissenters, dissenters must commit more crimes.)

(2)Dissenting is a crime in North Korea, so yes.
The Land of Truth wrote:
Source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals


1) What? That literally makes no sense. Hello (I reiterate), conviction=/=guilt.

2) No, it isn't. Their constitution clearly states that North Korean citizens have both freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Try again.

3) (My mistake, I was thinking the Maghreb was in the Middle East.) Regardless, what does that have to do with Arabs or the Middle East (as the person you replied to was talking about).
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