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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:25 pm

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Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


So typical. :p


Very :p
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:25 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:You implied there was a massive disparity between conviction and acts.

That entirely depends on what you mean by "massive." If by massive you mean large enough to constitute a problem that needs to be dealt with, yes. If you mean massive as in 80% of white people getting freed, then no, that's a straw man.
Blakk Metal wrote:You implied that there was a disparity in arrests and convictions as well.

Because there is. And I'm not denying that.
Blakk Metal wrote:And I proved that number was bullshit, because black people lie more.

No, you didn't. Stop fucking lying.
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Blakk Metal wrote:My sources disproved all self reported studies on race and drug use.

No, it does not. Your source studies the concordance rate to show how accurate self reported studies are. And if you read the results, it's actually very high.

Overall concordance rates were relatively high, ranging from 87 to 100% for
marijuana, 90–95% for cocaine, and 81–95% for the combined measure.


It does not, ANYWHERE, say "self reported studies on race and drug use are wrong." It does not, ANYWHERE, report any specific statistics measuring marijuana use by race that shows a difference level such as this:

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You never responded to this. Instead, you disappeared and avoided answer it WHENEVER possible.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:25 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Also, no one said white people are "routinely" let off. No, that implies that there's always a conscious decision to let X amount of white people go on days A, B, and C. That's not how institutional racism works. And your failure to understand this is also one of the many problems when it comes to effectively discussing this topic that you've displayed.

You implied there was a massive disparity between conviction and acts.
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See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?

I never said marijuana was bad. My point is that black people are punished more because they do more crime.
Mavorpen wrote:Racial disparities in the justice system doesn't mean "white people are routinely let off." That's a shitty straw man created by your failure to understand the topic. The most disparity comes in the form of whites getting lesser sentences for the same exact crime and with the same background as blacks.

You implied that there was a disparity in arrests and convictions as well.
The Land of Truth wrote:Right, because the white people would work with the black people to overthrow the government that was favoring them and keeping them out of jail. Because that makes sense.

*brought, not "brung" Beyond that, I'd say he did a fine job of proving it (considering that marijuana use was at about 52/48 for the white:black

And I proved that number was bullshit, because black people lie more.


The fuck happened to the rest of my post? (Oh, I see, you only quote the stuff you think you can refute.) No prob, I'll say it again: the discrepancy in arrests was about 30/70 (and that's just going off of memory, it might very well have been larger). Also, even if you did prove it bullshit, it's irrelevant, because you still have to prove that black people are more likely to smoke marijuana (whether or not they lie more when asked is irrelevant). Likewise, you further still need to account for that huge discrepancy listed above.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:26 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So typical. :p


Very :p


I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:26 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?

I never said marijuana was bad. My point is that black people are punished more because they do more crime.


Ah... say we take this comment seriously instead of hip firing a dismissal because racism. How do we measure this standard you set? How do we know "black people... do more crime"?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:27 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Very :p


I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p


Is that a communicable disease?
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:28 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:And I proved that number was bullshit, because black people lie more.


No, all you did with that was throw more fuel into the fire and let us be more convinced you are pulling shit out of your ass and then making the data you collect fit your assertion somehow; which is what Stormfront does.

Now, do you ACTUALLY have an argument to make, or will you continute to spout the same bullshit again?

Did you even my sources? My sources clearly showed that blacks are far more likely to lie about drug use.
Distruzio wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:I never said marijuana was bad. My point is that black people are punished more because they do more crime.


Ah... say we take this comment seriously instead of hip firing a dismissal because racism. How do we measure this standard you set? How do we know "black people... do more crime"?

They get convicted more.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:28 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
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I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p


Is that a communicable disease?


Not according to the CDC. However, I have saved my put-snorty handkerchief. You're welcome to try getting it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:28 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Very :p


I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p


I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:29 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p


I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:


It's the idea, as a whole, that there's a war on white people that makes me laugh. Hard.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:29 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Are there Cigars in this the "Club of Zion"?


Yea; Cuban Cigars, imported.


.... fucking cubans! I swear! They're as bad as the blacks Mexicans (I can say that because it's acceptable to be racist towards Mexicans because... um... Arizona) taking our Cigar wrapping jobs and shit. *gasp* It'll do. Count me in!
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:29 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Did you even my sources? My sources clearly showed that blacks are far more likely to lie about drug use.

No, no it didn't. Not once does your source state they lie. Please quote the source saying that they "lie about drug use."
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:30 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
No, all you did with that was throw more fuel into the fire and let us be more convinced you are pulling shit out of your ass and then making the data you collect fit your assertion somehow; which is what Stormfront does.

Now, do you ACTUALLY have an argument to make, or will you continute to spout the same bullshit again?

Did you even my sources? My sources clearly showed that blacks are far more likely to lie about drug use.


And? Lie in which way? Lie that they do not use drugs or lie that they use drugs more than they actually do?

From the statistics Mavorpen showed it seems that blacks actually would lie about consuming drugs more than they actually do, which is a bullshit assertion if you know that drugs are illegal anyways.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:30 pm

Trygg wrote:This is how you perceive racial boundaries?


How do you perceive racial boundaries if not by ancestry or skin color?
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:30 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Ah... say we take this comment seriously instead of hip firing a dismissal because racism. How do we measure this standard you set? How do we know "black people... do more crime"?

They get convicted more.


A higher conviction rate? Doesn't that suggest that blacks are convicted of crime more than other races rather than showing that blacks "do more crime"?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:32 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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I have out-snorted myself, Soli. The article linked in the OP (kudos to Othelos for making me laugh by finding that ''jewel'') and the responses of several posters in this thread have made me out-snort myself. :p


I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:


It kinda isn't considering it can be used to support social darwinism and eugenics.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:33 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:


It kinda isn't considering it can be used to support social darwinism and eugenics.


What, out of morbid curiosity, do you find disreputable about social darwinism?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:35 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:


It kinda isn't considering it can be used to support social darwinism and eugenics.


It's both, really. Sad and hilarious that people buy into the whole concept of eugenics. I did for a while. Not my brightest moment.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:35 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
No, all you did with that was throw more fuel into the fire and let us be more convinced you are pulling shit out of your ass and then making the data you collect fit your assertion somehow; which is what Stormfront does.

Now, do you ACTUALLY have an argument to make, or will you continute to spout the same bullshit again?

Did you even my sources? My sources clearly showed that blacks are far more likely to lie about drug use.
Distruzio wrote:
Ah... say we take this comment seriously instead of hip firing a dismissal because racism. How do we measure this standard you set? How do we know "black people... do more crime"?

They get convicted more.


No, they did not say that. Even if they did, so what? How does that in any way prove they're actually more likely to use drugs?

You do realize that a conviction doesn't mean that you actually committed the crime, right? A conviction means that jury was convinced you committed the crime. Two different things.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:35 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:They get convicted more.


A higher conviction rate? Doesn't that suggest that blacks are convicted of crime more than other races rather than showing that blacks "do more crime"?

Of course not, that would be logical.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I have to admit, back in hindsight, the whole "genetic predisposition to be poor" is fucking hilarious :lol2:


It's the idea, as a whole, that there's a war on white people that makes me laugh. Hard.


And then to pin it on everyone else but their own fuck up as Republicans.

I mean shit, I still remember the massive flop of Romney/Ryan. They fucked up big time in putting a closet follower of Ayn Rand's objectivism as running mate of someone who'd have probably made a good president. Reason why I actually say that? Because Romney probably was a flip-flop, but he actually showed he wasn't going in expecting anything, which is what happens in a presidency; you're never ready for all the inside happenings of the white house.

No president in the history of the U.S. has ever been ready to be president, even if they think they are; so Romney was someone I'd have voted for if it wouldn't have been for his asshole running mate, as much as it pains to some Democrats and Liberals I admit that yes, I saw potential in the guy.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:37 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
It kinda isn't considering it can be used to support social darwinism and eugenics.


What, out of morbid curiosity, do you find disreputable about social darwinism?


The fact that it make should and ought to claims. The fact that is isessentially trying to apply one field of study to a completely different field of study, with no evidence that said application can be made. Science does not make claims on what should and ought to be, only on what is. Social Darwinism makes those claims.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
It kinda isn't considering it can be used to support social darwinism and eugenics.


It's both, really. Sad and hilarious that people buy into the whole concept of eugenics. I did for a while. Not my brightest moment.


I actually think I remember debating eugenics with you before... (Or not, it was a long time ago, either way.)
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
What, out of morbid curiosity, do you find disreputable about social darwinism?


The fact that it make should and ought to claims. The fact that is isessentially trying to apply one field of study to a completely different field of study, with no evidence that said application can be made. Science does not make claims on what should and ought to be, only on what is. Social Darwinism makes those claims.


Not to mention it make a complete mockery of the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection by completely misrepresenting Survival of the Fittest.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
What, out of morbid curiosity, do you find disreputable about social darwinism?


The fact that it make should and ought to claims. The fact that is isessentially trying to apply one field of study to a completely different field of study, with no evidence that said application can be made. Science does not make claims on what should and ought to be, only on what is. Social Darwinism makes those claims.


My issues with it, precisely.
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