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white, non-hispanic
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Postby Patistan » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Zelitopia wrote:Now Arab is an ethnic group but it is still part of the white sub race.


Arabs generally don't have European ancestry and most don't have White skin so far as I can tell, they aren't White.
The Pashtuns might qualify but just barely.


Nah,Pashtuns arent that white,they are alot of black ones.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:13 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Wait, was it ever out of the gutter in the first place?


There's times when it actually is, but those times are rare :p


See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?
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Postby Trygg » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:14 pm

On a serious note, I generally ignore any groups, movements, or ideals that promote hate in any way. I've taken this approach after seeing good people who fought for an honest cause turned into radical hatemongers against anything and everything that is not the minority they stood for.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:14 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:You clearly weren't paying attention to conversation. You initially brung up marijuana to prove that the were racial disparities in the justice system, including in the prosecution of violent crime.

Racial disparities in the justice system doesn't mean "white people are routinely let off." That's a shitty straw man created by your failure to understand the topic. The most disparity for violent crimes comes in the form of whites getting lesser sentences for the same exact crime and with the same background as blacks.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:15 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Zelitopia wrote:Now Arab is an ethnic group but it is still part of the white sub race.


Arabs generally don't have European ancestry and most don't have White skin so far as I can tell, they aren't White.
The Pashtuns might qualify but just barely.


Dude, if you are only counting people whose ancestry can be traced back to the Caucasus region as whites you will end up with a TON of disappointment to know those are not the only white people in the world.
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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:15 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Damn. Guess that answers my question.

Also, what? What "thugs"?

The white people that wouldn't be arrested according to the most plausible implication of the Racial Disparity Hypothesis.
Mavorpen wrote:Oh, there's your problem. You don't understand that smoking marijuana=/= being a "thug."

You clearly weren't paying attention to conversation. You initially brung up marijuana to prove that the were racial disparities in the justice system, including in the prosecution of violent crime.

Right, because the white people would work with the black people to overthrow the government that was favoring them and keeping them out of jail. Because that makes sense.

*brought, not "brung" Beyond that, I'd say he did a fine job of proving it (considering that marijuana use was at about 52/48 for the white:black, whereas incarceration was about 30/70).
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:15 pm

Trygg wrote:On a serious note, I generally ignore any groups, movements, or ideals that promote hate in any way. I've taken this approach after seeing good people who fought for an honest cause turned into radical hatemongers against anything and everything that is not the minority they stood for.


Be more specific? Please?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:16 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
There's times when it actually is, but those times are rare :p


See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?


So far, you're the only one making sense.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:16 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
There's times when it actually is, but those times are rare :p


See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?


Sure, I'll take it. We need to be high before going into such an important crusade.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:18 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?


Sure, I'll take it. We need to be high before going into such an important crusade.


Bah, fuck it. We'll all be in jail anyhow. Not for smoking marijuana. For being minorities deserving such nonsense. You know... it's in our genes.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:18 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Arabs generally don't have European ancestry and most don't have White skin so far as I can tell, they aren't White.
The Pashtuns might qualify but just barely.


Dude, if you are only counting people whose ancestry can be traced back to the Caucasus region as whites you will end up with a TON of disappointment to know those are not the only white people in the world.


A lot of people make the (false) assumption that white=Caucasian. It's very annoying to have the explain why that's not true.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:19 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?


So far, you're the only one making sense.


Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:20 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Oh, there's your problem. You don't understand that smoking marijuana=/= being a "thug." Well, you have other problems such as ignoring sources, facts, and such, but concerning this specific instance, that's the problem.

Also, no one said white people are "routinely" let off. No, that implies that there's always a conscious decision to let X amount of white people go on days A, B, and C. That's not how institutional racism works. And your failure to understand this is also one of the many problems when it comes to effectively discussing this topic that you've displayed.

You implied there was a massive disparity between conviction and acts.
Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
There's times when it actually is, but those times are rare :p


See... if I'm recalling Blakk Metal's position correctly (which I may not because.... well... I dunno) then your/my/Gon's mind being in the gutter makes you/me/Gon "thugs". So.... want some marijuana before we overthrow the government?

I never said marijuana was bad. My point is that black people are punished more because they do more crime.
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Blakk Metal wrote:You clearly weren't paying attention to conversation. You initially brung up marijuana to prove that the were racial disparities in the justice system, including in the prosecution of violent crime.

Racial disparities in the justice system doesn't mean "white people are routinely let off." That's a shitty straw man created by your failure to understand the topic. The most disparity comes in the form of whites getting lesser sentences for the same exact crime and with the same background as blacks.

You implied that there was a disparity in arrests and convictions as well.
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Blakk Metal wrote:The white people that wouldn't be arrested according to the most plausible implication of the Racial Disparity Hypothesis.

You clearly weren't paying attention to conversation. You initially brung up marijuana to prove that the were racial disparities in the justice system, including in the prosecution of violent crime.

Right, because the white people would work with the black people to overthrow the government that was favoring them and keeping them out of jail. Because that makes sense.

*brought, not "brung" Beyond that, I'd say he did a fine job of proving it (considering that marijuana use was at about 52/48 for the white:black

And I proved that number was bullshit, because black people lie more.

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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:20 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Sure, I'll take it. We need to be high before going into such an important crusade.


Bah, fuck it. We'll all be in jail anyhow. Not for smoking marijuana. For being minorities deserving such nonsense. You know... it's in our genes.

Wait, I'm part-Lakota. Does that mean I'm predisposed to being violent/a druggy/a thug? Please tell me it's recessive!
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So far, you're the only one making sense.


Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


I'm sensible, when did that happen? I must be doing something wrong.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So far, you're the only one making sense.


Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


So typical. :p
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Postby Trygg » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Saiwania wrote:Arabs generally don't have European ancestry and most don't have White skin so far as I can tell, they aren't White.

This is how you perceive racial boundaries?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


I'm sensible, when did that happen? I must be doing something wrong.


Making sense, Gon, is an undesirable trait for some in this thread.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:And I proved that number was bullshit, because black people lie more.


No, all you did with that was throw more fuel into the fire and let us be more convinced you are pulling shit out of your ass and then making the data you collect fit your assertion somehow; which is what Stormfront does.

Now, do you ACTUALLY have an argument to make, or will you continue to spout the same bullshit again?
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So far, you're the only one making sense.


Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


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Postby Zelitopia » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:23 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I don't consider Arabs or Latinos to be White, but do include Ashkenazi Jews and Slavs.


That's the point, though. Who's 'white' and who's not has changed over time (for instance, the Irish, Italians, Slavs, etc. used to not be considered "white", but now they are--if that doesn't show that race is bullshit, I don't know what does).

That is because race as we think of it is bullshit.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


Are there Cigars in this the "Club of Zion"?


Yea; Cuban Cigars, imported.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:24 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Bah, fuck it. We'll all be in jail anyhow. Not for smoking marijuana. For being minorities deserving such nonsense. You know... it's in our genes.

Wait, I'm part-Lakota. Does that mean I'm predisposed to being violent/a druggy/a thug? Please tell me it's recessive!


I don't know. Honestly, I'm going through Blakk Metal's contributions again so that I can be sure I'm not busting his/her balls over a straw man I've created. You may have to ask him/her.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Zelitopia wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:
That's the point, though. Who's 'white' and who's not has changed over time (for instance, the Irish, Italians, Slavs, etc. used to not be considered "white", but now they are--if that doesn't show that race is bullshit, I don't know what does).

That is because race as we think of it is bullshit.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:24 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Well, it has been noted in this thread also that people who make actual sense are communists who are anti-Slavs and anti-Christianity; so I guess welcome to the club Distruzio? :p


Are there Cigars in this the "Club of Zion"?


Only if you go on blaming the Arabs for everything, including the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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