Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Respawn]

So Choudary is an MI5 operative who is being used to sexually seduce Islamic fundamentalists?

I wouldn't be surprised.

lol Anjem fucking Choudary is the Rowan Williams of militant islam.

Maybe the reason young men are leaving Birmingham for the Levant with dreams of bringing down Western Society, Yeah? is because Conservative governments make the political culture and economic life here unwaveringly miserable.

What do Conservative governments have to do with anything? This is the result of youngsters being indoctrinated by radical preachers in their mosques.
I suppose disillusionment with western society plays a part, but the radicalisation of British Muslims is not a recent phenomenon, nor is it the fault of right wing governments. Remember the 7/7 bombers?

It's not just a British thing either. Plenty of German, Canadian, Australian etc born Muslims are experiencing the same.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

[quote="Napkiraly";p="21290651"What do Conservative governments have to do with anything? This is the result of youngsters being indoctrinated by radical preachers in their mosques.

Yeah, but it's not magic. The reason people are taken in by new ideas is because whatever they're supposed to believe in doesn't interest them.

I suppose disillusionment with western society plays a part, but the radicalisation of British Muslims is not a recent phenomenon, nor is it the fault of right wing governments. Remember the 7/7 bombers?

Yeah some people died on a bus and some tube trains once, it was sad.

It was also the work of about half a dozen people, which is not a threat you can ever fully stop.

It's not just a British thing either. Plenty of German, Canadian, Australian etc born Muslims are experiencing the same.

Maybe the problem is that young men are full of piss and vinegar, and if you keep showing them images of heroic soldiers and worshipping Our Lads, they'll want to fight. And if the countercultural option for fighting is in Syria, they'll go there if there's nothing keeping them home.

[Quintium]

So, there is a protest against the Islamic State going on in The Hague. They planned to march to the Schilderswijk, where major islamist protests had been held earlier, and proclaim that it's still our land. Now, a few hundred people have been stopped by the police, and the march couldn't move into that neighbourhood because islamists came out in fairly large numbers with the intention of disrupting the original march and attacking those participating in it. The police then decided that it was too dangerous to let the original march (which had a permit from the authorities to walk there protected by the police) continue. Basically, at least in the eyes of the islamists, a large part of the Schilderswijk in The Hague is now theirs.

[Upper America]

Ah yes, I remember now. Yeah, you aren't real at all You don't just change positions like that. In other news, has the US launched anymore strikes beyond the few against the artillery and whatnot?

No because IS will fight destroy them and they know it and Obama already said he won't take military action or find a military solution.

Because bombing them isn't taking military action. Get your logic in order.

[Gauthier]

So, there is a protest against the Islamic State going on in The Hague. They planned to march to the Schilderswijk, where major islamist protests had been held earlier, and proclaim that it's still our land. Now, a few hundred people have been stopped by the police, and the march couldn't move into that neighbourhood because islamists came out in fairly large numbers with the intention of disrupting the original march and attacking those participating in it. The police then decided that it was too dangerous to let the original march (which had a permit from the authorities to walk there protected by the police) continue. Basically, at least in the eyes of the islamists, a large part of the Schilderswijk in The Hague is now theirs.

Ah, so Dutch police being sensible and preventing violence and possible bloodshed is now surrendering to Islamists.

[Scholmeria]

We need to lock up fuckers like Anjem Choudary who are encouraging these people. Though I suspect he may be an MI5 honeypot.

lol Anjem fucking Choudary is the Rowan Williams of militant islam.

Maybe the reason young men are leaving Birmingham for the Levant with dreams of bringing down Western Society, Yeah? is because Conservative governments make the political culture and economic life here unwaveringly miserable.

Or maybe just that your government is attracting a bad sort of immigrants?

[Quintium]

Ah, so Dutch police being sensible and preventing violence and possible bloodshed is now surrendering to Islamists.

The original protest had an official permit to walk along a certain route under police protection. Now, that protest has been blocked by a group of islamists - who, according to Dutch law, have to be dispersed by police because they lack a permit and threaten public order. Instead, the police has decided to order the original protest to retreat and take a safer route. And still, the islamists are reported to be throwing bricks at police and journalists right now, and they are calling in the riot police - so preventing violence has not worked, and now the islamists are claiming victory.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

lol Anjem fucking Choudary is the Rowan Williams of militant islam.

Maybe the reason young men are leaving Birmingham for the Levant with dreams of bringing down Western Society, Yeah? is because Conservative governments make the political culture and economic life here unwaveringly miserable.

Or maybe just that your government is attracting a bad sort of immigrants?

No, that's a fuckwit's opinion. The grandchildren of South Asian refugees are less the problem than our politically moribund and very economically unequal way of life that offers nothing to a whole lot of people.

[Quintium]

Oh, and now that the riot police are moving in (confirmed by the police itself now), the islamists are shouting that the police are 'cancerous jews' and continuing to put up a fight.
God, if only there were no human rights regulations and the police could just answer their violence with equal violence to show them who's boss. For now, the islamists have won a symbolic victory.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Oh, and now that the riot police are moving in (confirmed by the police itself now), the islamists are shouting that the police are 'cancerous jews' and continuing to put up a fight.
God, if only there were no human rights regulations and the police could just answer their violence with equal violence to show them who's boss. For now, the islamists have won a symbolic victory.

Yeah man it's the end of holland forever

[Scholmeria]

Oh, and now that the riot police are moving in (confirmed by the police itself now), the islamists are shouting that the police are 'cancerous jews' and continuing to put up a fight.
God, if only there were no human rights regulations and the police could just answer their violence with equal violence to show them who's boss. For now, the islamists have won a symbolic victory.

Yeah man it's the end of holland forever

Parts of the Netherlands have already turned into little Beiruts. It is not even ironic.

[Quintium]

Yeah man it's the end of holland forever

It's not the end, but it's certainly the beginning of the end. This has major implications: islamists are now able to prevent access of other groups to central parts of the Hague, just one or two miles away from our parliament. They control that neighbourhood, something even major progressive newspapers are now admitting. They are able to stop traffic, to stop legal protests with official permits from occurring, and they're even able to drive the police to retreat. This isn't a major strategic victory, as the riot police are currently keeping them contained while awaiting further instructions, but it's a symbolic victory. Today, they have shown that they - and not the Dutch government - effectively control this patch of land, where they proclaimed their own Islamic State a few weeks ago.

[Organized States]

Oh, and now that the riot police are moving in (confirmed by the police itself now), the islamists are shouting that the police are 'cancerous jews' and continuing to put up a fight.
God, if only there were no human rights regulations and the police could just answer their violence with equal violence to show them who's boss. For now, the islamists have won a symbolic victory.

Just roll in with Tear Gas and the Water hoses, it works pretty well here in the US.

[Land and Freedom]

So, there is a protest against the Islamic State going on in The Hague. They planned to march to the Schilderswijk, where major islamist protests had been held earlier, and proclaim that it's still our land. Now, a few hundred people have been stopped by the police, and the march couldn't move into that neighbourhood because islamists came out in fairly large numbers with the intention of disrupting the original march and attacking those participating in it. The police then decided that it was too dangerous to let the original march (which had a permit from the authorities to walk there protected by the police) continue. Basically, at least in the eyes of the islamists, a large part of the Schilderswijk in The Hague is now theirs.

Aren't there a number of Kurds living in your neck of the woods? I wonder if the white nationalist crowd could work with them. I'm skeptical of that turning out though.

[Scholmeria]

Or maybe just that your government is attracting a bad sort of immigrants?

No, that's a fuckwit's opinion. The grandchildren of South Asian refugees are less the problem than our politically moribund and very economically unequal way of life that offers nothing to a whole lot of people.

Generally most immigrants are fine. You cannot see anywhere Polish/Irish/Indian patrols in the streets of London. The most are integrating in society.

But some immigrants are unable to live in peace and inatead want that their culture dominates. That is the case of Muslims.

It is also schocking that some people defend anti-semitism of Musli.s for the sake of multikulturalism.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Yeah man it's the end of holland forever

It's not the end, but it's certainly the beginning of the end. This has major implications: islamists are now able to prevent access of other groups to central parts of the Hague, just one or two miles away from our parliament. They control that neighbourhood, something even major progressive newspapers are now admitting. They are able to stop traffic, to stop legal protests with official permits from occurring, and they're even able to drive the police to retreat. This isn't a major strategic victory, as the riot police are currently keeping them contained while awaiting further instructions, but it's a symbolic victory. Today, they have shown that they - and not the Dutch government - effectively control this patch of land, where they proclaimed their own Islamic State a few weeks ago.

Well there we are, I'm sure the Caliphague is the start of muslims putting us to the sword and not just a handful of people talking shit and people like you indulging them with rage.

[Quintium]

Well there we are, I'm sure the Caliphague is the start of muslims putting us to the sword and not just a handful of people talking shit and people like you indulging them with rage.

As I said, it's not that bad yet, but I have no doubt that it will become as bad. There is now a man by the name of Abu Walid proclaiming victory in the Schilderswijk on Twitter and asserting that the islamists, and not the Dutch government, control that neighbourhood. He is citing verses from the Quran, and proclaiming that this was a battle between his people and the Dutch and that his people had won.

[Organized States]

Well there we are, I'm sure the Caliphague is the start of muslims putting us to the sword and not just a handful of people talking shit and people like you indulging them with rage.

As I said, it's not that bad yet, but I have no doubt that it will become as bad. There is now a man by the name of Abu Walid proclaiming victory in the Schilderswijk on Twitter and asserting that the islamists, and not the Dutch government, control that neighbourhood. He is citing verses from the Quran, and proclaiming that this was a battle between his people and the Dutch and that his people had won.

Doesn't the Netherlands have similar laws to the US? Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Doesn't the Netherlands have similar laws to the US? Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Now there's a man who knows what he's talking about.

[Organized States]

Doesn't the Netherlands have similar laws to the US? Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Now there's a man who knows what he's talking about.

Seems like an easy solution. The Army and the Marines scared the living piss out of the rioters, and they all returned home in about a day in 1992.

[Quintium]

They've been attacking cameras, destroying at least one public television camera man's camera, and now they are riding through the neighbourhood on scooters on a sort of victory parade.

Doesn't the Netherlands have similar laws to the US? Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Our police is under-staffed, under-paid and bound not just by Dutch law but by international agreements to not use violence unless violence is used against it specifically. They're a lot less gung-ho about attacking, which is good when they're dealing with people who commit crimes but still fear the police, but not when they're dealing with people who don't accept the basics of a modern society and the rule of secular law. These riots will end within a few hours at most, but the symbolic impact lasts: in this part of The Hague, which has long been known as the most dangerous and criminal neighbourhood in the country, Islam rules and the Dutch government has failed to assert its authority.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Now there's a man who knows what he's talking about.

Seems like an easy solution.

I'm sure when they negotiate passage for the Danish military through Schleswig-Holstein and Niedersachsen it'll break up this situation that's extremely similar to the 1992 LA Riots, yeah.

[Amigaraserontadami]

That news is quite...troublesome. I was always intrigued at how Islamist groups in Europe are now clamoring for Sharia law, Do they do the same there in the Netherlands?

[Scholmeria]

They've been attacking cameras, destroying at least one public television camera man's camera, and now they are riding through the neighbourhood on scooters on a sort of victory parade..

Where do you watch this? Is there any stream?

[Organized States]

They've been attacking cameras, destroying at least one public television camera man's camera, and now they are riding through the neighbourhood on scooters on a sort of victory parade.

Doesn't the Netherlands have similar laws to the US? Think they'll just deploy the Danish Army on them like the US did during the LA Riots?

Our police is under-staffed, under-paid and bound not just by Dutch law but by international agreements to not use violence unless violence is used against it specifically. They're a lot less gung-ho about attacking, which is good when they're dealing with people who commit crimes but still fear the police, but not when they're dealing with people who don't accept the basics of a modern society and the rule of secular law. These riots will end within a few hours at most, but the symbolic impact lasts: in this part of The Hague, which has long been known as the most dangerous and criminal neighbourhood in the country, Islam rules and the Dutch government has failed to assert its authority.

Wow, that's unfortunate. Here in the US, you try that kind of stuff, and you'd have the National Guard and the Police beating the crap out of you within hours. You have the right to assemble, but not the one to attack other people.