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Organized States
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Postby Organized States » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:05 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:
Organized States wrote:We already took military action, and the President is authorizing more strikes, and IS troops have already been stomped on by US Airpower.

IS can down "air power" because I'm pretty sure they have SAMs if I am not mistaken.

Already being targeted. Your IS boys are out of their league.
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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:09 am

Kinda late, but those airstrikes were beautiful.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:11 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:Kinda late, but those airstrikes were beautiful.

True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.
Thank God for OS!- Deian
"In the old days, the navigators used magic to make themselves strong, but now, nothing; they just pray. Before they leave and at sea, they pray. But I, I make myself strong by thinking—just by thinking! I make myself strong because I despise cowardice. Too many men are afraid of the sea. But I am a navigator."-Mau Piailug
"I regret that I have only one life to give to my island." -Ricardo Bordallo, 2nd Governor of Guam
"Both are voyages of exploration. Hōkūle‘a is in the past, Columbia is in the future." -Colonel Charles L. Veach, USAF, Astronaut and Navigation Enthusiast

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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:26 am

Organized States wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Kinda late, but those airstrikes were beautiful.

True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.


How beautiful is murder.

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Vamtrl
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Postby Vamtrl » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:28 am

Land and Freedom wrote:
Organized States wrote:True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.


How beautiful is murder.


Watching 40,000 people die of dehydration/starvation must be better for you. :roll:

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Organized States
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Postby Organized States » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:29 am

Land and Freedom wrote:
Organized States wrote:True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.


How beautiful is murder.

How is it murder if they were about to commit a crime against humanity?
Thank God for OS!- Deian
"In the old days, the navigators used magic to make themselves strong, but now, nothing; they just pray. Before they leave and at sea, they pray. But I, I make myself strong by thinking—just by thinking! I make myself strong because I despise cowardice. Too many men are afraid of the sea. But I am a navigator."-Mau Piailug
"I regret that I have only one life to give to my island." -Ricardo Bordallo, 2nd Governor of Guam
"Both are voyages of exploration. Hōkūle‘a is in the past, Columbia is in the future." -Colonel Charles L. Veach, USAF, Astronaut and Navigation Enthusiast

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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:36 am

Land and Freedom wrote:
Organized States wrote:True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.


How beautiful is murder.

Very, if you're "murdering" people who would definitely go on to do much, much worse.
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Getrektistan
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Postby Getrektistan » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:40 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Land and Freedom wrote:
How beautiful is murder.


Watching 40,000 people die of dehydration/starvation must be better for you. :roll:


He didn't say that. It's very reasonable to dislike death in general. Killing can only ever be a necessary evil at best, and personally I fail to see how it could ever be beautiful.
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Mushet wrote:That's just a disingenuous equivalance you can't just point a crucifix at somebody and blast their brains out, that's a big difference.


-Arabiyyah- wrote:I don't even understand the insult you are just calling me a spear with meat and onions?


Alyakia wrote:i think you're giving her too much credit for turning a racist extremist party into a racist extremist party except we sorta hide it now


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I understand it perfectly. I'm sorry you apparently can't handle reality.

I'm sorry that you can't handle the English language.

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Ulrenon
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:43 am

Land and Freedom wrote:
Organized States wrote:True. Anyone else see the gun cams? Those shots were freaking perfect. Clean separation, great effect as well.


How beautiful is murder.

Well, that depends who your asking.

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Bazrasha
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Postby Bazrasha » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:17 am

-Arabiyah- wrote:
Organized States wrote:We already took military action, and the President is authorizing more strikes, and IS troops have already been stomped on by US Airpower.

IS can down "air power" because I'm pretty sure they have SAMs if I am not mistaken.

When you have no fucking clue how to use them it's kinda pointless to have them. Why do you think kids have to go to extra training after basic training? For ins tense my cousin good to AIT in two weeks and won't be back till November. Plus there are strategies to avoid SAM missiles. The Serbs had SAM's during operation allied force and yet were only able to take down eight aircraft in the whole conflict and a large sum of those were Helicopters or aircraft no meant for that sort of operation. It takes almost two years of training to learn how to operate an attack helicopter, months if not years to get a full understanding of the Abrams tank and the T-72's are out dated as fuck. You guys don't have shit for shit on the US and to think you do is laughable at best.

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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:23 am

Well guys, we better throw in the towel. Apparently, SAMs make all forms of air power obsolete.
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Las Palmeras wrote:Roaring 20s but in the future and with mutants

Alyakia wrote:you are a modern poet
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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:55 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Land and Freedom wrote:
How beautiful is murder.


Watching 40,000 people die of dehydration/starvation must be better for you. :roll:


Oh yes, that's exactly what I said.

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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:56 am

Organized States wrote:
Land and Freedom wrote:
How beautiful is murder.

How is it murder if they were about to commit a crime against humanity?


It's still murder. Whether I'm going to lose any sleep over it is irrelevant.

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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:57 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Land and Freedom wrote:
How beautiful is murder.

Very, if you're "murdering" people who would definitely go on to do much, much worse.


Interesting that you see it that way.

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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:57 am

Getrektistan wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
Watching 40,000 people die of dehydration/starvation must be better for you. :roll:


He didn't say that. It's very reasonable to dislike death in general. Killing can only ever be a necessary evil at best, and personally I fail to see how it could ever be beautiful.


That's where I'm coming from, yes.

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Land and Freedom
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Postby Land and Freedom » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:58 am

Ulrenon wrote:
Land and Freedom wrote:
How beautiful is murder.

Well, that depends who your asking.


Precisely so.

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Respawn
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Postby Respawn » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:14 am

Well I guess from the terrorists' POV, they cannot wait to be "murdered" as it would make them martyrs for their faith. It is indeed very "beautiful" to them.

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The Cookish States
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Postby The Cookish States » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:40 am

I've never supported an absolutist answer before, but let's just hurry up and show these guys that they are no where near as good at killing innocent civilians as we are...[Deliberate Pause]...at killing evil cunts who like chopping heads off of kids. Let's go! Round three!
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Amigaraserontadami
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Postby Amigaraserontadami » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:53 am

Wow, finally! A thread where I can get up to date info about these things! Checking Google News was starting to get confusing, and twitter had...certain individuals strong in their support. Though in the case of refugees, aside from France, what other nation is offering to shelter those who are fleeing from this situation..

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Postby Respawn » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:07 am

Amigaraserontadami wrote:Wow, finally! A thread where I can get up to date info about these things! Checking Google News was starting to get confusing, and twitter had...certain individuals strong in their support. Though in the case of refugees, aside from France, what other nation is offering to shelter those who are fleeing from this situation..

This place is a little slow.
/pol/ is better for breaking events, but then you have to sift through all their Jew memes, shilling and disinformation and whatnot.

I heard that many Yazidis have fled to Turkey and even Syria.
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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:07 am

Respawn wrote:Well I guess from the terrorists' POV, they cannot wait to be "murdered" as it would make them martyrs for their faith. It is indeed very "beautiful" to them.

I'm almost certain this is some kind of logical fallacy, but whatever. They can think whatever they want.

Bomb all their stolen artillery and tanks and they won't have anything to retaliate with against their martyrdom. Hell, if we just kill enough of them, there won't be anymore martyrdom. Martyrs can't exactly forge a caliphate on the same level that evil men with guns can.
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Transferring information from disorganized notes into presentable factbooks is way too time consuming for a procrastinator. Just ask if you have questions.
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Alyakia wrote:you are a modern poet
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Postby Respawn » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:22 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:I'm almost certain this is some kind of logical fallacy, but whatever. They can think whatever they want.

What logical fallacy? This is what they honestly believe.
Bomb all their stolen artillery and tanks and they won't have anything to retaliate with against their martyrdom. Hell, if we just kill enough of them, there won't be anymore martyrdom. Martyrs can't exactly forge a caliphate on the same level that evil men with guns can.

You are forgetting that ISIS are extremely well funded and often receive "gifts" from charitable individuals in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
And you cannot simply destroy an ideology. Killing "enough of them" is ineffective when there are thousands of young men who are willing to take their place, many of whom are western born.

We need to lock up fuckers like Anjem Choudary who are encouraging these people. Though I suspect he may be an MI5 honeypot.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:58 am

Respawn wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:I'm almost certain this is some kind of logical fallacy, but whatever. They can think whatever they want.

What logical fallacy? This is what they honestly believe.
Bomb all their stolen artillery and tanks and they won't have anything to retaliate with against their martyrdom. Hell, if we just kill enough of them, there won't be anymore martyrdom. Martyrs can't exactly forge a caliphate on the same level that evil men with guns can.

You are forgetting that ISIS are extremely well funded and often receive "gifts" from charitable individuals in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
And you cannot simply destroy an ideology. Killing "enough of them" is ineffective when there are thousands of young men who are willing to take their place, many of whom are western born.

We need to lock up fuckers like Anjem Choudary who are encouraging these people. Though I suspect he may be an MI5 honeypot.

So Choudary is an MI5 operative who is being used to sexually seduce Islamic fundamentalists?

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:06 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Respawn wrote:What logical fallacy? This is what they honestly believe.

You are forgetting that ISIS are extremely well funded and often receive "gifts" from charitable individuals in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
And you cannot simply destroy an ideology. Killing "enough of them" is ineffective when there are thousands of young men who are willing to take their place, many of whom are western born.

We need to lock up fuckers like Anjem Choudary who are encouraging these people. Though I suspect he may be an MI5 honeypot.

So Choudary is an MI5 operative who is being used to sexually seduce Islamic fundamentalists?


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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:07 am

Respawn wrote:We need to lock up fuckers like Anjem Choudary who are encouraging these people. Though I suspect he may be an MI5 honeypot.

lol Anjem fucking Choudary is the Rowan Williams of militant islam.

Maybe the reason young men are leaving Birmingham for the Levant with dreams of bringing down Western Society, Yeah? is because Conservative governments make the political culture and economic life here unwaveringly miserable.

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