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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:16 pm

^
Good old spam *sigh*.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Upper America wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Well in a way it was, considering Ali was in Muhammad's succession line (via bloodline rather than open). The majority (ie the Sunni's) contested such an issue leaving it up to the most pious to take the mantle. Eventually Ali became the fourth Caliph, and the problem of who was truly the successor to him caused the split even further.

So, Muhammad's death messed up the religion he tried to spread? Seems like prophets are the only ones who can keep the religions together. If Jesus and Muhammad not died, the religions probably wouldn't be so divided. There also wouldn't be so much violence.

Well its a bit difficult to create a religion when you are a member of one (in which you seek to stay a part of).
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Postby Castille de Italia » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:05 pm

Solution: Provide military support to Assad in Syria, provide military support to Kurds in Iraq. Authorize a massive campaign of drone strikes and air raids on ISIS/ISIL forces.

And also possibly ask Putin pretty please if he could help too.
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Postby Murkwood » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:07 pm

Benuty wrote:^
Good old spam *sigh*.

Summer never ends.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:18 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Benuty wrote:^
Good old spam *sigh*.

Summer never ends.


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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:19 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Benuty wrote:^
Good old spam *sigh*.

Summer never ends.

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Postby Murkwood » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:21 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Summer never ends.

global warming

My science teacher actually banned calling it "global warming" in his class. He prefers/mandates "climate change".
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:22 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:global warming

My science teacher actually banned calling it "global warming" in his class. He prefers/mandates "climate change".


Global Climate Warming Change *nod*
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Upper America
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:28 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:Solution: Provide military support to Assad in Syria, provide military support to Kurds in Iraq. Authorize a massive campaign of drone strikes and air raids on ISIS/ISIL forces.

And also possibly ask Putin pretty please if he could help too.

Putin should be obligated to help, Assad is his ally. He's too focused on messing with Ukraine, though.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:33 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:

You know, I can't take you seriously anymore, I think you're outright lying about what you believe. Why? Because just a few weeks ago you were pissed at ISIS, and proclaiming your devoutness to Shia Islam, Ali, and support of Iran; no one -- NO ONE -- gives up a religion and worldview they hold that dearly to go to its polar opposite in a few weeks. I think the only reason you "converted" is that you thought it would be even more tongue-in-cheek and edgy.


A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?



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Postby Lexicor » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:41 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You know, I can't take you seriously anymore, I think you're outright lying about what you believe. Why? Because just a few weeks ago you were pissed at ISIS, and proclaiming your devoutness to Shia Islam, Ali, and support of Iran; no one -- NO ONE -- gives up a religion and worldview they hold that dearly to go to its polar opposite in a few weeks. I think the only reason you "converted" is that you thought it would be even more tongue-in-cheek and edgy.


A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


This. All of the this.
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Postby The Klishi Islands » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:45 pm

Lexicor wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


This. All of the this.


Wait so you're telling me I can no longer say I got into a debate with an Islamic Fundamentalist? He's a fraud? :eek: I suppose this is my welcome to the Internet :p
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:00 pm

On reflection, this is yet another crisis that shows how pointless our intelligence services are for their cost.

It certainly seems like nobody predicted this. Everyone's response has been woeful. We're sending help about a month late, close to a year late if we're talking about Fallujah.

This is yet another end of the Cold War situation where it wasn't in the local papers so some fuckwit sat at an embassy had no idea it was going to happen.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:13 pm

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:On reflection, this is yet another crisis that shows how pointless our intelligence services are for their cost.

It certainly seems like nobody predicted this. Everyone's response has been woeful. We're sending help about a month late, close to a year late if we're talking about Fallujah.

This is yet another end of the Cold War situation where it wasn't in the local papers so some fuckwit sat at an embassy had no idea it was going to happen.


What's interesting is that according to US Department of Defense records, al-Baghdadi (the leader of ISIS) was held at Camp Bucca as a "civilian internee" by US Forces-Iraq from 2005 until 2009, when he was released. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended an "unconditional release" of al-Baghdadi and there is no record of him being held at any other time.

The group itself has existed since about 2000. Al-Zarqawi led them for a time. They were the ones who lopped off Nick Berg's head and conducted attacks on American soldiers in retaliation for the Mahmudiyah killings and Abu Gharib. They've pretty much been always around in the local papers under various names, depending on the circumstances.
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Postby Castille de Italia » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:43 pm

Upper America wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:Solution: Provide military support to Assad in Syria, provide military support to Kurds in Iraq. Authorize a massive campaign of drone strikes and air raids on ISIS/ISIL forces.

And also possibly ask Putin pretty please if he could help too.

Putin should be obligated to help, Assad is his ally. He's too focused on messing with Ukraine, though.

I thought the same thing.
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Postby Castille de Italia » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:52 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You know, I can't take you seriously anymore, I think you're outright lying about what you believe. Why? Because just a few weeks ago you were pissed at ISIS, and proclaiming your devoutness to Shia Islam, Ali, and support of Iran; no one -- NO ONE -- gives up a religion and worldview they hold that dearly to go to its polar opposite in a few weeks. I think the only reason you "converted" is that you thought it would be even more tongue-in-cheek and edgy.


A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?

Let him keep on. The FBI will kick down his door soon.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:11 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You know, I can't take you seriously anymore, I think you're outright lying about what you believe. Why? Because just a few weeks ago you were pissed at ISIS, and proclaiming your devoutness to Shia Islam, Ali, and support of Iran; no one -- NO ONE -- gives up a religion and worldview they hold that dearly to go to its polar opposite in a few weeks. I think the only reason you "converted" is that you thought it would be even more tongue-in-cheek and edgy.


A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAg6CtiH3co

All women are clearly whores, and anal worms create homosexuality...courtesy of a Shiite cleric. I think I found Bosnakia.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:16 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAg6CtiH3co

All women are clearly whores, and anal worms create homosexuality...courtesy of a Shiite cleric. I think I found Bosnakia.

Is 'homosexual' to Jihadis what 'Jew' is to white supremacists?

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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:19 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Benuty wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAg6CtiH3co

All women are clearly whores, and anal worms create homosexuality...courtesy of a Shiite cleric. I think I found Bosnakia.

Is 'homosexual' to Jihadis what 'Jew' is to white supremacists?


Depends, a fatwa was given to anal jihad for the Muslim Brotherhood. IE, they are allowed to have sex with other men when they are out and fighting.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:27 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAg6CtiH3co

All women are clearly whores, and anal worms create homosexuality...courtesy of a Shiite cleric. I think I found Bosnakia.

He's just a moron. I wouldn't listen to him, he doesn't have a grip on reality. Anal worm that causes homosexuality? Really?
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Postby Ganos Lao » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:40 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
A few weeks? Try months.

He was the guy behind Bosnakia, who once promoted the belief that all Sunni/non-Muslim kids are born gay/sluts due to Shaitan, etc, etc. Remember all that? He and his ilk are flocking into II, creating all these wish fulfillment roleplays and acting like this shit is hardcore, but put them smack dab in the middle of this clusterfuck and they'd be shitting themselves and crying for mommy. It's sad when people glamourize scumbags like ISIS and act like they aren't nothing more than opportunists who are exploiting Maliki's inability to understand basic politics.

He's a little kid who doesn't know any better, though, so can we really expect much in the line of ideological consistency?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAg6CtiH3co

All women are clearly whores, and anal worms create homosexuality...courtesy of a Shiite cleric. I think I found Bosnakia.


You found the guy whom he idolized in his posts.

What we ought to do is direct the both of them to Constable Habib. ;)



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Postby Ganos Lao » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:41 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Is 'homosexual' to Jihadis what 'Jew' is to white supremacists?


Depends, a fatwa was given to anal jihad for the Muslim Brotherhood. IE, they are allowed to have sex with other men when they are out and fighting.


There was also the case of Abdallah Al-Khilaf, a London cleric who issued a fatwa that permitted sodomy to “widen the anus as a means to place explosives in the anus for the purpose of Jihad has been issued.”



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Postby Blakk Metal » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:43 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Depends, a fatwa was given to anal jihad for the Muslim Brotherhood. IE, they are allowed to have sex with other men when they are out and fighting.


There was also the case of Abdallah Al-Khilaf, a London cleric who issued a fatwa that permitted sodomy to “widen the anus as a means to place explosives in the anus for the purpose of Jihad has been issued.”

Why can't they just use a speculum?

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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:46 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
There was also the case of Abdallah Al-Khilaf, a London cleric who issued a fatwa that permitted sodomy to “widen the anus as a means to place explosives in the anus for the purpose of Jihad has been issued.”

Why can't they just use a speculum?


That would be too simple.
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Postby Upper America » Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:48 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Why can't they just use a speculum?


That would be too simple.

And it wouldn't contradict their laws, which is something religions seem rather fond of.
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