Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Napkiraly]

Seriously, its like the CIA created ISIS just to ID all the psychopaths in the word, round them up in one place and proceed to bomb the fuck out of them

The last time there was so many psychos joining up for a common cause The Joker was running wild in Gotham.

Even The Joker is with us.

[Ganos Lao]

Granted, they weren't always blood-thirsty conquerors. It's more along the lines of them wanting to warm up to the West, to be seen as equals rather than uppity inferiors to going around conquering places to being docile and reliant on Uncle Sam. Ironically enough, Uncle Sam saw in the wake of the Cold War that a docile Japan wasn't going to be handy in any potential conflict with Mother Russia.

Even more interesting to note is that in declassified CIA files, they've found documentation suggesting that the US government considered restoring the militarists (specifically, a clique of militarists and suspected war criminals led by Takushiro Hattori, the private secretary of Hideki Tojo) to power via a CIA operation a la Iran. However, the plot didn't materialize because Masanobu Tsuji (wanted for his role in the Baatan Death March, but never charged) talked the group out of it.

The more you know.

Jesus.

The CIA didn't think much of Tsuji, though.

“In either politics or intelligence work, he is hopelessly lost both by reason of personality and lack of experience,” said a CIA assessment from 1954. Another 1954 file says: “Tsuji is the type of man who, given the chance, would start World War III without any misgivings.”

There was also Yukio Mishima, who famously committed seppuku after his cries for an uprising recieved little more than laughs and jeers from soldiers. However, in that incident, his biographer speculates that Mishima had no intention of overthrowing the government, but that he merely wanted an elaborate and theatrical scenario for committing ritual suicide.

As well, he didn't necessarily have the backing of the ultranationalists; they didn't like how Mishima was saying the Emperor should've abdicated and taken responsibility for the lives lost (he had also argued that the Emperor renouncing his divinity made the deaths of Japan's soldiers in vain).

[Ganos Lao]

You'd want to nuke the entire region? Even Israel, who is not only said to have nuclear weapons but is reportedly willing to employ what has been called the Samson Option?

I don't think that's going to go over with Congress.

But Congress doesn't authorize nuclear strikes.

I know that, but I'm pretty sure they'd not take too kindly either way. I'm sure most in the American government will be looking at impeaching the President if he ever went ahead with such a plan.

[Grenartia]

Which is why we need to nuke the entire middle east in a preemptive strike.

You'd want to nuke the entire region? Even Israel, who is not only said to have nuclear weapons but is reportedly willing to employ what has been called the Samson Option?

I don't think that's going to go over with Congress.

Besides, I'm not too keen on genocide.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

Jordan's tough talk is more for show.

Some Japanese see murdered hostages as troublemakers.

about that first one

[West Aurelia]

Jordan's tough talk is more for show.

Some Japanese see murdered hostages as troublemakers.

about that first one

A few airstrikes doesn't mean much on the large scale. Other coalition partners could do the same.

Jordan isn't going to go all out and destroy IS. Of course, if it does do that, I won't be complaining.

[Napkiraly]

about that first one

A few airstrikes doesn't mean much on the large scale. Other coalition partners could do the same.

Jordan isn't going to go all out and destroy IS. Of course, if it does do that, I won't be complaining.

The problem with these talks about "realist" approaches in XYZ is that they fundamentally miscalculate the influence things like anger, bloodlust, etc have on not only populations at large but on governments.

And Jordan expanded its role already, by first hitting more targets than they had before, second by striking targets in Iraq, third making this shit incredibly public.

[Herskerstad]

UN report makes mentions of the burying alive, crucifixion, rape and burning of children.

I do find it ironic that while the two in the middle one can certainly find Islamic justification for, and I would suspect a fatwa could in their jurisprudence justify the last, but the burying alive of kids was one of the few good deeds Muhammad did in banning said practice for young girls at least.

Damn, I have to read more about Hudud transgressions once again to see if it fits within the framework or not.

[Organized States]

UN report makes mentions of the burying alive, crucifixion, rape and burning of children.

I do find it ironic that while the two in the middle one can certainly find Islamic justification for, and I would suspect a fatwa could in their jurisprudence justify the last, but the burying alive of kids was one of the few good deeds Muhammad did in banning said practice for young girls at least.

Damn, I have to read more about Hudud transgressions once again to see if it fits within the framework or not.

Plus of course, using Autistic Kids as Sucide Bombers.

[Al-Karkadan]

Plus of course, using Autistic Kids as Sucide Bombers.

Only autistic ones, or any impressionable kid? Autistiform cognitions can be induced by prolonged mental and physical abuse...

[Napkiraly]

UN report makes mentions of the burying alive, crucifixion, rape and burning of children.

I do find it ironic that while the two in the middle one can certainly find Islamic justification for, and I would suspect a fatwa could in their jurisprudence justify the last, but the burying alive of kids was one of the few good deeds Muhammad did in banning said practice for young girls at least.

Damn, I have to read more about Hudud transgressions once again to see if it fits within the framework or not.

Plus of course, using Autistic Kids as Sucide Bombers.

Could be worse.

[West Aurelia]

Plus of course, using Autistic Kids as Sucide Bombers.

Only autistic ones, or any impressionable kid? Autistiform cognitions can be induced by prolonged mental and physical abuse...

Any impressionable kid. There was a story a few months back about a kid who signed up to be a suicide bomber just so he could turn himself in while on his bombing mission and escape IS.

[Organized States]

Plus of course, using Autistic Kids as Sucide Bombers.

Only autistic ones, or any impressionable kid? Autistiform cognitions can be induced by prolonged mental and physical abuse...

I think both, but its pretty bad either way.

[Seraven]

An editorial claiming Jordan has no balls and a report that some Japanese are so determined to be inoffensive that they'll gladly let the IS walk all over them.

Turns out being A-bombed will change your culture so much that you go from being blood thirsty conquerors to being docile and relient on your allies, who knew?

Jesus Christ, what have we done?

If Tokugawa won the Boshin War, perhaps the modern Japan as we know would be changed.

[West Aurelia]

Jordan confirms airstrikes in Iraq.

IS punishes cleric who opposed the burning of Kasasbeh.

Recently-released al Qaeda cleric condemns burning of Kasasbeh.

[West Aurelia]

British jihadist jailed for 12 years.

[Seraven]

Jordan confirms airstrikes in Iraq.

IS punishes cleric who opposed the burning of Kasasbeh.

Recently-released al Qaeda cleric condemns burning of Kasasbeh.

Even evil has standards, indeed. At least Al Qaeda cleric is sane enough to not support ISIS through their horrifying act to burn people which is not in the religions. Any religions.

[Herskerstad]

Jordan confirms airstrikes in Iraq.

IS punishes cleric who opposed the burning of Kasasbeh.

Recently-released al Qaeda cleric condemns burning of Kasasbeh.

Even evil has standards, indeed. At least Al Qaeda cleric is sane enough to not support ISIS through their horrifying act to burn people which is not in the religions. Any religions.

Actually, Muhammad himself ordered that a man be tortured through burning.

Life of the Prophet of Allah - Ibin Ishaq page 151

"Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought"), to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" He said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has." So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud."

So burning as a use of torture is defidently not against the Sunnah of Muhammad, meaning it is not against Sunni Islam. From what I understand, unlike stoning or rolling people down mountains until they die, burning another to death is not a directly ordained punishment for a specific crime, but with the added connotation of Muhammad having used a similar technique on someone, I suspect arranging a fatwa for it would be the only legal thing required to execute a man in such a fashion given Islamic jurisprudence. And I would suspect that Al Qaeda would protest on doing the issue given that the individual was a Sunni Muslim, though I doubt they would have minded if he just was beheaded.

[Genivaria]

Wow 3 pages worth of derailment because of one poster.
So has anyone checked out the Lions of Rojava fb page?
'Send terrorists to Hell and Save Humanity!'
He he subtle.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

He admitted to have relations with known ISIS members, and even stated his hatred of the West and stated the possibility/the desire to join Al Nusra. Terrorist sympathizer would be a better word than an actual terrorist, I suppose.

I'm not sure if he really deserves to have his private communications put out in the open like that.

That is very true. Could the person who posted the TG kindly remove it from the thread? It does not seem necessary.

[Farnhamia]

I'm not sure if he really deserves to have his private communications put out in the open like that.

That is very true. Could the person who posted the TG kindly remove it from the thread? It does not seem necessary.

Already gone.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

That is very true. Could the person who posted the TG kindly remove it from the thread? It does not seem necessary.

Already gone.

Thank you much.

[West Aurelia]

IS says American hostage was killed in Jordanian airstrikes.

Senator says Jordan and Saudi Arabia may send ground forces into Syria and Iraq, but they want the US to join.

[The Grand World Order]

IS says American hostage was killed in Jordanian airstrikes.

If this is true, I honestly think that'd be a better way to go out than getting your head chopped off with a knife. Or being set on fire.

[Seraven]

Senator says Jordan and Saudi Arabia may send ground forces into Syria and Iraq, but they want the US to join.

Obvious.