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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:54 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:At least His Majesty, the King of Jordan, will be fighting alongside his men.

Wait, wait... did I miss something? Do we have an actual source for this?


Read earlier in the thread. The King will be personally participating in air strikes against ISIS.



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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:54 pm

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What your AQ heroes do is also disgusting, even moreso.


"Sure, we may lop off heads, subjugate women, burn people alive, rape, pillage minorities, commit Genocide and all that.

But those homosexuals? What they do is a crime! Madness i tell you!"


Exactly.

Reminds me of that Mugabe thread.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:56 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:Wait, wait... did I miss something? Do we have an actual source for this?

Read earlier in the thread. The King will be personally participating in air strikes against ISIS.

.....

Wow. :blink:
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Postby The balkens » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:57 pm

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Ganos Lao wrote:Read earlier in the thread. The King will be personally participating in air strikes against ISIS.

.....

Wow. :blink:

and that's why we need monarchies. So shit like that still happens.

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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:59 pm

Genos Lao,The Balkens,and Nuclear Fist calm down and stop being overly obnoxious. I'm not being rude or insultuting to any of you directly. Let me break this down into you. Just becauses ISIS uses the Al-Qeada flag and ISIS has become more popular dosn't mean it there flag. The flag means a lot the top lettering says "No God Exepct Allah" and the circle that you may not seen as "perfectly drawn" is like this for a reason it's the seal of Muhammad(May peace and blessing be upon him his family and companions) the stamp he used on letters,laws,and others. And the inside is actually written Allah Messgner Muhammad but is supposed to be read bottom to up as Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. The black is the symbol of islam honor and humbleness white is for purity also the black flag repusents a quranic verse about the black flags merging from Khorusan modern day Afghanistan. Black is also the war flag's color and white is the administrive color. Thirdly I don't know what the hell "edgy" means but I UDed it and when did I ever state I wanted to be cool or just do this to be the one who stands out? I am honored on the other hand I am seed as a stranger for Muhammad said "Islam began as somthing strange and will return to somthing strange." may peace be upon him. There is nothing cool about this,this is above cool this is beauty Islam.And what evidence is there they rape and have sexual jihad all the images I saw of these sex jihadis where Iranian and Lebanese from Ashura where there head bands said "يا حسن" instead of "لا إله إلا الله" which is an obvious difference if you know Arabic or not.Also the outfits of the women from the pictures where all Iraqi styles of clothing. ISIS and every other jihadist group has a strict policy about rape punishable by death and ISIS has absolutely no problem with killing there own I've seen videos of it. And Islam forbids premarital sex. Sure say "Oh well this shows they aren't really muslim" when they are. They have pure intentions that you unfortunalty can not understand and only listen to what a British or American or what ever you listent to reporter say somthing given out from the enemy of ISIS or AQ such as YPG or Hezballah. They are talking about there fucking enemy for the love of god you really think they have an intent to tell the truth? There is zero evidence they rape or steal zero for if they did every member would have to kill him self than.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:01 pm

The balkens wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:.....

Wow. :blink:

and that's why we need monarchies. So shit like that still happens.

...because a president or governor-general or what-have-you couldn't do the exact same thing?

Besides, this is entirely symbolic. Badass and awesome and all that, yes, but still entirely symbolic.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:01 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:Read earlier in the thread. The King will be personally participating in air strikes against ISIS.

.....

Wow. :blink:
It's not entirely surprising. If an officer or leader wanted to do as old leaders and ride his steed into combat, the fighter jet is about as close as one can get. Between a properly trained pilot and a properly trained soldier the pilot is in a better position as far as safety goes.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:02 pm

Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:04 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Genos Lao,The Balkens,and Nuclear Fist calm down and stop being overly obnoxious. I'm not being rude or insultuting to any of you directly. Let me break this down into you. Just becauses ISIS uses the Al-Qeada flag and ISIS has become more popular dosn't mean it there flag. The flag means a lot the top lettering says "No God Exepct Allah" and the circle that you may not seen as "perfectly drawn" is like this for a reason it's the seal of Muhammad(May peace and blessing be upon him his family and companions) the stamp he used on letters,laws,and others. And the inside is actually written Allah Messgner Muhammad but is supposed to be read bottom to up as Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. The black is the symbol of islam honor and humbleness white is for purity also the black flag repusents a quranic verse about the black flags merging from Khorusan modern day Afghanistan. Black is also the war flag's color and white is the administrive color. Thirdly I don't know what the hell "edgy" means but I UDed it and when did I ever state I wanted to be cool or just do this to be the one who stands out? I am honored on the other hand I am seed as a stranger for Muhammad said "Islam began as somthing strange and will return to somthing strange." may peace be upon him. There is nothing cool about this,this is above cool this is beauty Islam.And what evidence is there they rape and have sexual jihad all the images I saw of these sex jihadis where Iranian and Lebanese from Ashura where there head bands said "يا حسن" instead of "لا إله إلا الله" which is an obvious difference if you know Arabic or not.Also the outfits of the women from the pictures where all Iraqi styles of clothing. ISIS and every other jihadist group has a strict policy about rape punishable by death and ISIS has absolutely no problem with killing there own I've seen videos of it. And Islam forbids premarital sex. Sure say "Oh well this shows they aren't really muslim" when they are. They have pure intentions that you unfortunalty can not understand and only listen to what a British or American or what ever you listent to reporter say somthing given out from the enemy of ISIS or AQ such as YPG or Hezballah. They are talking about there fucking enemy for the love of god you really think they have an intent to tell the truth? There is zero evidence they rape or steal zero for if they did every member would have to kill him self than.

Tl; dr: "GUISE STOP BEING MEAN I JUST SUPPORT PSYCHOTIC TERRORISTS WE'RE NOT ISIS IT'S NOT A PHASE"
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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:05 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:King Abdullah himself is flying missions against ISIS. Holy -shit-.


Keep in mind, King Abdullah was originally a British officer trained at Sandhurst and actually has led Jordanian special forces troops, before.


Is there a better source for this?
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Postby Romalae » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:06 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Genos Lao,The Balkens,and Nuclear Fist calm down and stop being overly obnoxious. I'm not being rude or insultuting to any of you directly. Let me break this down into you. Just becauses ISIS uses the Al-Qeada flag and ISIS has become more popular dosn't mean it there flag. The flag means a lot the top lettering says "No God Exepct Allah" and the circle that you may not seen as "perfectly drawn" is like this for a reason it's the seal of Muhammad(May peace and blessing be upon him his family and companions) the stamp he used on letters,laws,and others. And the inside is actually written Allah Messgner Muhammad but is supposed to be read bottom to up as Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. The black is the symbol of islam honor and humbleness white is for purity also the black flag repusents a quranic verse about the black flags merging from Khorusan modern day Afghanistan. Black is also the war flag's color and white is the administrive color. Thirdly I don't know what the hell "edgy" means but I UDed it and when did I ever state I wanted to be cool or just do this to be the one who stands out? I am honored on the other hand I am seed as a stranger for Muhammad said "Islam began as somthing strange and will return to somthing strange." may peace be upon him. There is nothing cool about this,this is above cool this is beauty Islam.And what evidence is there they rape and have sexual jihad all the images I saw of these sex jihadis where Iranian and Lebanese from Ashura where there head bands said "يا حسن" instead of "لا إله إلا الله" which is an obvious difference if you know Arabic or not.Also the outfits of the women from the pictures where all Iraqi styles of clothing. ISIS and every other jihadist group has a strict policy about rape punishable by death and ISIS has absolutely no problem with killing there own I've seen videos of it. And Islam forbids premarital sex. Sure say "Oh well this shows they aren't really muslim" when they are. They have pure intentions that you unfortunalty can not understand and only listen to what a British or American or what ever you listent to reporter say somthing given out from the enemy of ISIS or AQ such as YPG or Hezballah. They are talking about there fucking enemy for the love of god you really think they have an intent to tell the truth? There is zero evidence they rape or steal zero for if they did every member would have to kill him self than.

Tl; dr: "GUISE STOP BEING MEAN I JUST SUPPORT PSYCHOTIC TERRORISTS WE'RE NOT ISIS IT'S NOT A PHASE"

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Postby Kubra » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:07 pm

West Aurelia wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:King Abdullah himself is flying missions against ISIS. Holy -shit-.


Keep in mind, King Abdullah was originally a British officer trained at Sandhurst and actually has led Jordanian special forces troops, before.


Is there a better source for this?
the idea is probably trained pilot + giving announcement in miltiary uniform = gonna fight, so it's not actually confirmed.
But boy, if he doesn't he's gonna look hella silly.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:08 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.

Obama better learn to drive a tank or something.

This man is more America than America itself.
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Postby Jamjai » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:11 pm

both political leaders and religious leaders are condemning it on the media

the death of the Jordanian pilot basically is uniting the Mideast countries against isis
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:11 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:Genos Lao,The Balkens,and Nuclear Fist calm down and stop being overly obnoxious. I'm not being rude or insultuting to any of you directly. Let me break this down into you. Just becauses ISIS uses the Al-Qeada flag and ISIS has become more popular dosn't mean it there flag. The flag means a lot the top lettering says "No God Exepct Allah" and the circle that you may not seen as "perfectly drawn" is like this for a reason it's the seal of Muhammad(May peace and blessing be upon him his family and companions) the stamp he used on letters,laws,and others. And the inside is actually written Allah Messgner Muhammad but is supposed to be read bottom to up as Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. The black is the symbol of islam honor and humbleness white is for purity also the black flag repusents a quranic verse about the black flags merging from Khorusan modern day Afghanistan. Black is also the war flag's color and white is the administrive color. Thirdly I don't know what the hell "edgy" means but I UDed it and when did I ever state I wanted to be cool or just do this to be the one who stands out? I am honored on the other hand I am seed as a stranger for Muhammad said "Islam began as somthing strange and will return to somthing strange." may peace be upon him. There is nothing cool about this,this is above cool this is beauty Islam.And what evidence is there they rape and have sexual jihad all the images I saw of these sex jihadis where Iranian and Lebanese from Ashura where there head bands said "يا حسن" instead of "لا إله إلا الله" which is an obvious difference if you know Arabic or not.Also the outfits of the women from the pictures where all Iraqi styles of clothing. ISIS and every other jihadist group has a strict policy about rape punishable by death and ISIS has absolutely no problem with killing there own I've seen videos of it. And Islam forbids premarital sex. Sure say "Oh well this shows they aren't really muslim" when they are. They have pure intentions that you unfortunalty can not understand and only listen to what a British or American or what ever you listent to reporter say somthing given out from the enemy of ISIS or AQ such as YPG or Hezballah. They are talking about there fucking enemy for the love of god you really think they have an intent to tell the truth? There is zero evidence they rape or steal zero for if they did every member would have to kill him self than.


What evidence is there of rape?

How about that ISIS themselves released pamphlets on how to treat Yazidi women?

In the pamphlet, titled Su'al wa-Jawab fi al-Sabi wa-Riqab ("Questions and Answers on Taking Captives and Slaves"), ISIS justifies capturing the women due to their unbelief in Islam. “Unbelieving [women] who were captured and brought into the abode of Islam are permissible to us."

According to the pamphlet, ISIS members are permitted to have sex with the women, “Allah the almighty said: ‘[Successful are the believers] who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame [Quran 23:5-6]’.”

This can occur as soon as a woman is captured: “If she is a virgin, [her master] can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession of her. However, is she isn’t, her uterus must be purified.” A female captive cannot be sold, however, if she has been impregnated by her ‘owner’.

The pamphlet also details how a female slave can be beaten, but her face should not be hit. “It is permissible to beat the female slave as a form of disciplinary beating, but it is forbidden to beat for the purpose of achieving gratification or for torture. Further, it is forbidden to hit the face.”

One of the final questions asks what happens when a female slave runs away from her master. “A male or female slave running away is among the gravest of sins,” the pamphlet reads. Although it does not specify a punishment, it says that the woman will be “reprimanded [in such a way that] deters others like her from escaping."

In September, 120 senior Muslim scholars and imams from around the world, including Sheikh Shawqi Allam, the grand mufti of Egypt wrote an 18-page, open letter to ISIS, calling its members un-Islamic and condemning the treatment of Yazidi women. “It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings,” they argued.


They are talking about there fucking enemy for the love of god you really think they have an intent to tell the truth? There is zero evidence they rape or steal zero for if they did every member would have to kill him self than.


But when ISIS says that the West does this and that, you don't think the same about ISIS? Does ISIS have a better record in truth telling?

Also, zero evidence? How did you reach this conclusion aside from the aforementioned fallacy, especially when even the aforementioned Grand Mufti (who probably knows more about Islamic law and jurisprudence than you) pretty much called them out on it?

Want me to go on there, mate?
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:12 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.

The prophet Muhammad(SAW) loved leaders not cowards and idols.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:13 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.

The prophet Muhammad(SAW) loved leaders not cowards and idols.


The Prophet Muhammad also laid out guidelines about treating women and children, prisoners of war, etc that ISIS has conveniently neglected since their inception, but you actually propose Muhammad would endorse the splitting image of Islam for Islamophobes the world over.

Why do you hate Islam?



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Postby The balkens » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:14 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.

The prophet Muhammad(SAW) loved leaders not cowards and idols.


Right. He is loving ISIS right now.

Sending his bombs full of chocolates and candies upon their heads.

Christian god is pissed too, so are the Greco-Roman ones.

In other words, ISIS is fucked.

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Postby Romalae » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:15 pm

Jamjai wrote:both political leaders and religious leaders are condemning it on the media

the death of the Jordanian pilot basically is uniting the Mideast countries against isis

I noticed that too. ISIS bit off more than it can chew.
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Postby -United Islamic Emirate- » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:16 pm

The pamphlet says he must respect her wants when she utters. And he has to care for her child. That's not the true definition of rape it's not like the soviets in Berlin who broke down doors and pulling there penis out and you know the rest. These men have a reasposiblity to these women and has to care for them too and there possible child. So please.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:17 pm

Kubra wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:
Is there a better source for this?
the idea is probably trained pilot + giving announcement in miltiary uniform = gonna fight, so it's not actually confirmed.
But boy, if he doesn't he's gonna look hella silly.

Here's the Arabic newspaper announcing it.

Translation via googlet:
Announced today that Jordan's King Abdullah II on Thursday will participate personally in the implementation of air strikes on al Daash terrorist sites in retaliation for the execution Jordanian pilot forbid Kasasbeh. The reports quoted the king of Jordan said that the "war against Daash relentless and Sndharbhm in their strongholds." The Daash terrorist gangs aired yesterday showed a video clip in which the execution of the pilot Jordanian forbid Kasasbeh burned a neighborhood inside an iron cage and against the background of this work has Jordan on Wednesday at dawn executions by hanging Rishawi and Ziad Karbouli align themselves to the rule. It is said that Jordan participates in the international coalition launched several raids on Daash sites in Syria without Alarac.anthy


There's also supposedly pictures released of the King's airstrike, though I haven't found/seen those.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:19 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Abdullah is an honest to god warrior king.

I feel like the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) would probably look favorably upon a man so honorable, and probably kick the shit out of a power mad, genocidal rapist like Baghdadi.

Obama better learn to drive a tank or something.

This man is more America than America itself.

Supposedly the guy has a 'gigantic firearms collection that the NRA would be envious over' according to 'AR15.com' (also the source of some humor on the topic already).
So actually he very well might be.

Also, and I forgot about this, he quoted Clint fuck-mothering EASTWOOD when talking to US members of Congress on the topic of ISIS.

This dude is an apple pie-eating contest and an Iowa caucus away from winning the Republican nomination for 2016.
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Postby Mefpan » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:24 pm

Within the span of a few seconds, my opinion of the Jordanian Head of State has been drastically changed from "uninformedly disapproving" to "actually a pretty fucking awesome guy".

I just wonder how Putin's going to out-awesome him to defend his title. Perhaps he'll ride into battle on a T-90 wildly swinging a sword?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:24 pm

-United Islamic Emirate- wrote:The pamphlet says he must respect her wants when she utters. And he has to care for her child. That's not the true definition of rape it's not like the soviets in Berlin who broke down doors and pulling there penis out and you know the rest. These men have a reasposiblity to these women and has to care for them too and there possible child. So please.

What a fucking barbaric notion. Forcomg sex on anyone is rape, full stop.

ISIS is a bunch of shitheel, rapist slavers.
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Postby Jamjai » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:28 pm

Romalae wrote:
Jamjai wrote:both political leaders and religious leaders are condemning it on the media

the death of the Jordanian pilot basically is uniting the Mideast countries against isis

I noticed that too. ISIS bit off more than it can chew.

yea, a politician was so angry he would probable cut isis heads off personally

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I'll just provide the news source where I read that

http://news.yahoo.com/leader-egypt-religious-institution-enraged-killing-090829436.html
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